[Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf last call Secdir review
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On 29 Apr 2026, at 21:51, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > The need to support cleartext SMTP is broadly understood by those > actually operating email services. Would any of those objecting to the current text please answer Viktor's replies to the outstanding objections? Literally none of his messages have been engaged and they really do give the reasons why the text is as it should be, and more clearly than any of the other messages (my own included). If they aren't answered, I'd ask the IESG to declare the objections addressed and the discussion closed. pr -- Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/ All connections to the world are tenuous at best
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- [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Barry Leiba
- [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… Richard Barnes
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draf… Stephen Farrell
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] Re: Re: … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… Ken Murchison
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Richard Barnes
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Richard Barnes
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Paul Wouters
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Ted Hardie
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore… Ken Murchison
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… S Moonesamy
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: draft… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: draft… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Paul Wouters
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Steffen Nurpmeso
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Christian Huitema
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: the worst except … Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Richard Clayton
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Andy Newton
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: [secd… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Martin J. Dürst
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Andy Newton
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Martin J. Dürst
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Paul Wouters
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: the worst except for all of the o… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Douglas Foster
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Michael Richardson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Christian Huitema
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Barry Leiba
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Barry Leiba
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: … Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Steffen Nurpmeso
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: the worst except … Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Martin J. Dürst
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: … John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draf… Richard Barnes
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: the worst except … John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Jeffrey Walton
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Douglas Foster