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[Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf last call Secdir review

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Tue, 28 April 2026 15:37 UTC

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Hi,

Shivan Sahib wrote:
> This again seems unconvincing as rationale to require cleartext.

Well, the rationale keeps shifting, doesn't it? This is just the latest
iteration.

Ekr has the point too, so I'll just cite him:

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/emailcore/JqJACpJOTMz9H3vPWhcp2LUjgGE/

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/emailcore/pIils9hlg0Ffx0rw2ebXsvFkcBU/

thanks,
Rob

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