[Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf last call Secdir review
Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net> Thu, 30 April 2026 02:18 UTC
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On 29 Apr 2026, at 17:16, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> Let's see if we can perhaps get on the same page about the current
> state of affairs: do you believe an SMTP implementation which requires
> STARTTLS and does not allow you to disable TLS is presently
> conformant?
Nope. From RFC 3207:
A publicly-referenced SMTP server MUST NOT require use of the
STARTTLS extension in order to deliver mail locally. This rule
prevents the STARTTLS extension from damaging the interoperability
of
the Internet's SMTP infrastructure. A publicly-referenced SMTP
server is an SMTP server which runs on port 25 of an Internet host
listed in the MX record (or A record if an MX record is not present)
for the domain name on the right hand side of an Internet mail
address.
pr
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
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- [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Martin Thomson
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Pete Resnick
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: [secd… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Martin J. Dürst
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Ted Lemon
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [… John Levine
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Martin J. Dürst
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Eliot Lear
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Paul Wouters
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: the worst except for all of the o… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Viktor Dukhovni
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- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… Pete Resnick
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- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Eric Rescorla
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- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: … Nico Williams
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: the worst except … John C Klensin
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Jeffrey Walton
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Douglas Foster