Re: [gaia] draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments. Mitar review, question #1: Motivations
"Jose Saldana" <jsaldana@unizar.es> Wed, 13 April 2016 15:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: [gaia] draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments. Mitar review, question #1: Motivations
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Hi, > -----Mensaje original----- > De: gaia [mailto:gaia-bounces@irtf.org] En nombre de Mitar > Enviado el: miércoles, 13 de abril de 2016 11:11 > Para: Jose Saldana <jsaldana@unizar.es> > CC: gaia <gaia@irtf.org> > Asunto: Re: [gaia] draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments. Mitar review, > question #1: Motivations > > Hi! > > Maybe this one can be expanded to include commons: > > - Various forms of activism, looking for network neutrality > guarantees, anti-censorship, decentralization to minimize control, > building of commons, etc. When you say "building of commons", do you mean "Digital commons" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons#Digital_commons . - Various forms of activism, looking for network neutrality guarantees, anti-censorship, decentralization to minimize control, creating and sharing of "commons" (i.e. information and knowledge resources that are collectively shared), etc. > > Maybe one more can be added: > > - Preferring alternative ownership model (co-owning, co-operating) > of the networking infrastructure. > > For the second part, there is a whole movement these days about this, trying to > define it for services as well, not just infrastructure: > > http://p2pfoundation.net/Platform_Cooperativism > > This would be the new version: 4.2. Goals and motivation Alternative Networks can also be classified according to the underlying motivation for them, e.g., addressing deployment and usage hurdles: o Reducing initial capital expenditures (for the network and the end user, or both). o Providing additional sources of capital (beyond the traditional carrier-based financing). o Reducing on-going operational costs (such as backhaul or network administration). o Leveraging expertise, and having a place for experimentation and teaching. o Reducing hurdles to adoption (digital literacy; literacy in general; relevance, etc.) o Extending coverage to underserved areas (users and communities). o Free sharing of Internet connectivity, including altruistic reasons. o Becoming an active participant in the deployment and management of a real and operational network. o Various forms of activism, looking for network neutrality guarantees, anti-censorship, decentralization to minimize control, creating and sharing of "commons" (i.e. information and knowledge resources that are collectively shared), etc. o Providing an alternative service in case of natural disasters and other extreme situations. o Preferring alternative ownership model (co-owning, co-operating) of the networking infrastructure. Thanks again, Jose
- Re: [gaia] draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-de… Jose Saldana
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- Re: [gaia] draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-de… Jose Saldana
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- Re: [gaia] draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-de… Jose Saldana
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