Re: [gaia] draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments. Mitar review, question #1: Motivations

[Mitar <[e-mail]>]

Hi!

Hm, I think this is hard to separate. Because is goal of providing a
decentralized censorship-free government-free alternative Internet
access a service or a motivation of people participating?


Mitar

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 2:03 AM, Jose Saldana <[e-mail]> wrote:
> This is a good point.
>
> These would be goals (why the network is useful, what is its main
> "service"):
>
> We can split the list into two, with different introductory paragraphs. We
> should take into account that these motivations are used in the
> classification.
>
> Something like:
>
> Alternative Networks can also be classified according to the underlying
> motivation
> for them, i.e. the goals it tries to accomplish:
>
>> >>     o  Reducing initial capital expenditures (for the network and the
> end
>> >>        user, or both).
>> >>
>> >>     o  Providing additional sources of capital (beyond the traditional
>> >>        carrier-based financing).
>> >>
>> >>     o  Reducing on-going operational costs (such as backhaul or network
>> >>        administration).
>> >>
>> >>     o  Reducing hurdles to adoption (digital literacy; literacy in
>> >>        general; relevance, etc.)
>> >>
>> >>     o  Extending coverage to underserved areas (users and communities).
>> >>
>> >>     o  Providing an alternative service in case of natural disasters
> and
>> >>        other extreme situations.
>
> The motivations of the users who deploy them can be diverse:
>> >>
>> >>     o  Leveraging expertise, and having a place for experimentation and
>> >>        teaching.
>
>> >>     o  Becoming an active participant in the deployment and management
> of
>> >>        a real and operational network.
>> >>
>> >>     o  Various forms of activism, looking for network neutrality
>> >>        guarantees, anti-censorship, decentralization to minimize
> control,
>> >>        creating and sharing of "commons" (i.e. information and
> knowledge
>> >>        resources that are collectively shared), etc.
>>>>
>> >>     o  Free sharing of Internet connectivity, including altruistic
>> >>        reasons.
>> >>
>> >>     o  Preferring alternative ownership model (co-owning, co-operating)
>> >>        of the networking infrastructure.
>
> Do you agree with the separation?
>
> Jose
>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: gaia [mailto:[e-mail]] En nombre de panayotis antoniadis
>> Enviado el: jueves, 14 de abril de 2016 10:51
>> Para: [e-mail]
>> Asunto: Re: [gaia] draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments. Mitar
> review,
>> question #1: Motivations
>>
>>
>> Dear Mitar, Jose,
>>
>> I am not sure if it is meaningful, and helpful, to mix goals (why the
> network is useful,
>> what is its main "service") with motivations (why someone contributes to
> the
>> creation of the network) in the same list.
>>
>> The former I think is a useful classification variable and more or less
> easy to
>> identify. The latter is a rather complex behavioural aspect and in my
> opinion it is
>> really beyond of the scope of this document to touch on.
>>
>> Asking someone "what is your motivation?" and recording the answer is just
> not
>> enough. Motivations shouldn't be treated similarly to protocol variables
> and unless if
>> there is a really good reason I wouldn't place them side by side.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Panos.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14/04/16 09:52, Mitar wrote:
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Jose Saldana <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>> >>> - Various forms of activism, looking for network neutrality
>> >>>    guarantees, anti-censorship, decentralization to minimize control,
>> >>>    building of commons, etc.
>> >> When you say "building of commons", do you mean "Digital commons"
>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons#Digital_commons .
>> > Various forms of commons, but mostly commons in the sense of Internet
>> > connectivity. If we see Internet connectivity as a human right, then
>> > commons is a social way to provide that. Like drinking water can be
>> > seen as commons, public spaces as well. It is commons to access
>> > digital commons. :-) The network itself becomes a virtual public space
>> > where people can participate without censorship, oppression. So
>> > commons in very broad term. It is really the best term I can find to
>> > explain various aspects of community networks.
>> >
>> > For example, we can see the infrastructure put up by community
>> > networks as commons. Not owned by any one particular entity, but
>> > operated and maintained by a community.
>> >
>> > This research paper talks more about this view on community networks:
>> >
>> > http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2725358
>> >
>> > (It talks also about organizational structures and motivations for
>> > such networks.)
>> >
>> >> - Various forms of activism, looking for network neutrality
>> >> guarantees, anti-censorship, decentralization to minimize control,
>> >> creating and sharing of "commons"  (i.e. information and knowledge
>> >> resources that are collectively shared), etc.
>> > But also infrastructure, the network itself as communication space,
>> > and control is often similar to other commons-based projects (open
>> > source projects, etc.).
>> >
>> >> 4.2.  Goals and motivation
>> >>
>> >>     Alternative Networks can also be classified according to the
>> >>     underlying motivation for them, e.g., addressing deployment and
> usage
>> >>     hurdles:
>> >>
>> >>     o  Reducing initial capital expenditures (for the network and the
> end
>> >>        user, or both).
>> >>
>> >>     o  Providing additional sources of capital (beyond the traditional
>> >>        carrier-based financing).
>> >>
>> >>     o  Reducing on-going operational costs (such as backhaul or network
>> >>        administration).
>> >>
>> >>     o  Leveraging expertise, and having a place for experimentation and
>> >>        teaching.
>> >>
>> >>     o  Reducing hurdles to adoption (digital literacy; literacy in
>> >>        general; relevance, etc.)
>> >>
>> >>     o  Extending coverage to underserved areas (users and communities).
>> >>
>> >>     o  Free sharing of Internet connectivity, including altruistic
>> >>        reasons.
>> >>
>> >>     o  Becoming an active participant in the deployment and management
> of
>> >>        a real and operational network.
>> >>
>> >>     o  Various forms of activism, looking for network neutrality
>> >>        guarantees, anti-censorship, decentralization to minimize
> control,
>> >>        creating and sharing of "commons" (i.e. information and
> knowledge
>> >>        resources that are collectively shared), etc.
>> >>
>> >>     o  Providing an alternative service in case of natural disasters
> and
>> >>        other extreme situations.
>> >>
>> >>     o  Preferring alternative ownership model (co-owning, co-operating)
>> >>        of the networking infrastructure.
>> > Looks better and better. Great! Thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> > Mitar
>> >
>>
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