Re: [Gendispatch] another possibly problematic word

This matches my understanding as someone who grew up in, and currently lives in, the UK. I’ve had people react negatively to the term.

Colin

> On 8 Sep 2020, at 19:24, Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote:
> 
> I haven't lived in the UK for over 10 years but when I was there this was not archaic but was sort of regional (London and surrounding area + criminal culture such as prisons, gritty TV shows) and common parlance in that context.  I was surprised when I discovered the security usage in my 20s but I’ve never considered there to be much chance of confusion between the two communities that use the word differently.
> 
> Jay
> 
>> On 9/09/2020, at 12:40 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie <mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/09/2020 12:38, Salz, Rich wrote:
>>> This was news to me.  FYI
>> 
>> I believe it's archaic slang, that wasn't ever very common
>> and perhaps only commonly used before the 1960's but that's
>> just my impression from general reading and listening and
>> could well vary from place to place, and time to time, the
>> word being slang.
>> 
>> I'm currently unconvinced by that one tbh. And not that
>> convinced that curated lists of dodgy words is a good way
>> to handle this. (*)
>> 
>> S.
>> 
>> (*) That may be due to also originating from a place where
>> censorship was still somewhat common in my youth - in our
>> case the censors were mainly interested in religion and
>> maintaining their ideas of the good bits of the social
>> status quo. One of their last gasps was banning "the life
>> of Brian" movie;-)
>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> … A
>>> separate issue that we may want to consider relates to use of the
>>> word/term “nonce”.  In British English this term is slang for a
>>> paedophile,
>>> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/nonce<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dictionary.cambridge.org_dictionary_english_nonce&d=DwMGaQ&c=96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=4LM0GbR0h9Fvx86FtsKI-w&m=h3vPGHnErcFST8UylIdbLohcl4jQGcLXlgr6I_5jpwk&s=4NlmGbVCeTGF1CWzghVwoa1yDT9sIiWHbnji9xdIlzE&e=> <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/nonce%3Chttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dictionary.cambridge.org_dictionary_english_nonce&d=DwMGaQ&c=96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=4LM0GbR0h9Fvx86FtsKI-w&m=h3vPGHnErcFST8UylIdbLohcl4jQGcLXlgr6I_5jpwk&s=4NlmGbVCeTGF1CWzghVwoa1yDT9sIiWHbnji9xdIlzE&e=%3E>
>>> 
>>> I’m not saying that we should necessarily change this, but we might
>>> want to consider whether there is an alternative equivalent term that
>>> could be used instead. …
>>> 
>>> 
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