Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-nottingham-where-does-that-come-from-00.txt

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Mon, 15 March 2021 03:59 UTC

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From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-nottingham-where-does-that-come-from-00.txt
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Hi Brian,

> On 13 Mar 2021, at 7:53 am, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> As already  noted, this can't really be an IETF document since it purports to cover all streams.

Some parts will need to be initiated by other streams, but they stream managers can effectively opt into its suggestions. Also, much of it is about what it *not* associated with the IETF -- which we do control.


>> 2.1.3. Proposal 3: domain usage 
> 
> I think this section is actively harmful. The canonical place for all RFCs is rfc-editor.org; I think that we should very likely deprecate copies in any other domains (although those domains should certainly have pointers to the canonical copies).
> 
> Really, RFCs have no place in the IETF data tracker, except as pointers.

If we can cure ourselves of the addition to the augmented views on tools and datatracker, I'm all for this. What we really need to encourage is augmentation of the RFC Editor view (perhaps on the metadata page, etc.).


>> 2.2. Internet-Drafts
>> 
>> The following recommendations apply to the publication of Internet-Drafts.
> 
> The problem here is that draft-foo-bar has no intrinsic link to any of the streams. A differentiation can only be made later, if the draft becomes draft-ietf-bar or draft-irtf-bar. So how would we algorithmically classify draft-nottingham-quic-new-idea or draft-nottingham-where-does-that-come-from?

As unassociated drafts on internet-drafts.org; they're not adopted on any stream.

Cheers,


> 
> Regards
>   Brian
> 
> On 12-Mar-21 14:44, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>> 
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>> 
>> 
>>        Title           : Clarifying IETF Document Status
>>        Author          : Mark Nottingham
>> 	Filename        : draft-nottingham-where-does-that-come-from-00.txt
>> 	Pages           : 7
>> 	Date            : 2021-03-11
>> 
>> Abstract:
>>   There is widespread confusion about the status of Internet-Drafts and
>>   RFCs, especially regarding their association with the IETF and other
>>   streams.  This document recommends several interventions to more
>>   closely align reader perceptions with actual document status.
>> 
>> 
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nottingham-where-does-that-come-from/
>> 
>> There is also an HTML version available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-nottingham-where-does-that-come-from-00.html
>> 
>> 
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>> 
>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>> 
>> 
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