Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-nottingham-where-does-that-come-from-00.txt

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sat, 13 March 2021 14:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-nottingham-where-does-that-come-from-00.txt
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On 3/13/21 3:17 AM, Eliot Lear wrote:

> This having been said, I agree with Mark that this is a problem, that branding can help, and that the matter should get addressed.

Agree with this much.   Especially now that HTML and PDF are widely used 
for RFCs, it seems reasonable to include logos in the HTMLized and PDF 
versions of newly produced RFCs, and perhaps also HTMLized and PDF 
versions of older RFCs.

But these seem a bit out of scope for IETF to specify in detail, so 
perhaps should be limited to brief recommendations to the RFC Editor.

I don't think Internet-Drafts should be stamped by IETF at all, but 
maybe authors should be able to specify one or more small logos of the 
organizations that they represent, if they wish.   If this is done I 
recommend that they be on a (single) cover/title page that doesn't 
change the format of the remainder of the draft.

Keith