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Re: [Hls-interest] Inclusive Language

John Luther <jluther@jwplayer.com> Thu, 23 July 2020 19:27 UTC

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From: John Luther <jluther@jwplayer.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:27:16 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Hls-interest] Inclusive Language
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JW Player supports the renaming, preferring Index and Media.

JL


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:47 PM Joey Parrish <joeyparrish=
40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> I would support this change in naming.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:41 AM John Bartos <bartsjb=
> 40justin.tv@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'd like to start a discussion about inclusive language in the HLS spec.
>> At Twitch we are committed to using inclusive engineering terms. We believe
>> that inclusive language creates an environment where everyone feels welcome
>> and supported.
>>
>> As we've spread this awareness across the tech we use, I've noticed that
>> the HLS spec uses the word "master" in a way which implies master/slave. I
>> see this as contrary to our goals of inclusivity. It seems that we have
>> already acknowledged this by changing "slave" to "child", but that is only
>> a half measure.
>>
>> I'd like to see us do better. I expressed the above to the #video-dev
>> community where I received broad support and some new ideas. Among them are:
>>
>>    - Main
>>    - Index
>>
>> And for child:
>>
>>    - Media
>>    - Rendition
>>
>>
>> Let me know what you all think. Thanks to everyone who has offered input
>> and support so far. I'm looking forward to a productive discussion.
>>
>> - John
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