Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Principles doc
Ray Hunter <v6ops@globis.net> Mon, 16 June 2014 17:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Principles doc
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Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >>>> "The inclusion of physical layer characteristics including bandwidth, >>>> loss, and latency in path computation should be considered for >>>> optimising communication in the homenet." > >> Should the text then rather say "Path selection in Homenet needs to be >> more sophisticated than measuring pure hop count due to the use of >> heterogeneous link technologies, and therefore the routing protocol should >> be capable of utilising multiple link-dependent metrics, such as >> bandwidth, delay, and link reliability", rather than mentioning >> "optimised"? > > I'm happy with either. The current text leaves it to the protocol people > to decide what "optimising" means, but I also like the way you spell out > the requirement. If you'll allow me to indulge in some minor nit picking > wrt. your suggested wording: > > - you require "multiple [...] metrics", which is what we do in Babel, but > we certainly don't wish to prevent somebody from being smart enough to > design a single metric that works satisfactorily on all link layers; > - you use "bandwdith" where you mean "throughput" (yeah, I know, I'm > a pedant); > - I'm on a personal crusade against the utilisation of the verb "to utilise". > > So perhaps something like: > > Due to the use of heterogeneous link technologies, path selection in > a homenet needs to be more refined than minimising hop count. The > homenet routing protocol should be able to select paths according to > criteria such as latency, throughput, link reliability (e.g. measured > packet loss) or other performance metrics. > > -- Juliusz > > I could certainly live with your text, and if the WG ever moved to evaluating competing candidate routing protocols against requirements derived from the architecture, it could provide a useful and objective differentiator, which is possibly something that has been lacking up until now. e.g. {BABEL, EIGRP, full IS-IS .....} might be preferred over {OSPFv3....} which might be preferred over {RIPng, HNCP native routing, IS-IS (only using cost and default cost=10) , AODV (without link quality extensions) ....} on this particular measure of suitability. -- Regards, RayH
- [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Princip… Ray Bellis
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Markus Stenberg
- [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Princip… Ray Bellis
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Markus Stenberg
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Mark Townsley
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Townsley.net
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Acee Lindem
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Townsley.net
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Michael Thomas
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Michael Thomas
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Acee Lindem
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ray Hunter
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Markus Stenberg
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Tim Chown
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Mark Townsley
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Tim Chown
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Tim Chown
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Mark Townsley
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Tim Chown
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Mark Townsley
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Mark Townsley
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ray Hunter
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ray Hunter
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ray Hunter
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ray Hunter
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Acee Lindem
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Gert Doering
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Tim Chown
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… ietfdbh
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… joel jaeggli
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Tim Chown
- Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Pri… Ray Hunter
- Re: [homenet] list of questions on routing sectio… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [homenet] list of questions on routing section Alexandru Petrescu