Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Principles doc

Mark Townsley <mark@townsley.net> Fri, 13 June 2014 15:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Principles doc
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On Jun 13, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:

> On Jun 13, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Mark Townsley <mark@townsley.net> wrote:
>> Ted, you asked Ray and I to issue a WGLC on a very specific set of text. You are falling into your own trap of going beyond that.
> 
> No, Mark, I agreed with Ray that the proposed text needed a last call.   Last calls are not for rubber stamps.   They often produce proposed changes.   This is what I wanted, and why I asked for the last call.   I don't think the text is right as is.

Ted, that is not at all what Ray explained to me. In fact, I relaxed the WGLC scoping text we sent to the group vs. what he thought had been agreed between the two of you. But that's neither here nor there - of course any text is up for changing at any time, and WGLCs are not rubber stamps, which is why the text from Adrian is being rejected, just as we said it would be. Let's not put words in my mouth.

I will repeat, I agree some of the text isn't right, and the WG agrees as well. Current thinking has diverged, partially due to the length of time the document has spent sitting in committee. Given the number of comments and compromises up to this point, it is obviously a hornets nest that could unravel any number of past discussions, agreements, and compromises. 

Not all of the text is wrong though, and above all I am hearing "better is the enemy of good enough" comments that I have great sympathy for at this stage.

- Mark