Re: [homenet] New Version Notification for draft-howard-homenet-routing-comparison-00.txt

Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> Fri, 13 January 2012 20:40 UTC

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>>>>> "Acee" == Acee Lindem <acee.lindem@ericsson.com> writes:
    >> The problem with zOSPF is that it doesn't meet our requirements.
    >> It doesn't detect borders (unless the border happens to have
    >> another zOSPF router with the wrong password),

    Acee> While this should be part of the solution, I don't see this as
    Acee> something that it necessarily should be built into the routing
    Acee> protocol.

    >> it requires configuration (for the password),

    Acee> How does any protocol do authentication w/o a shared key? If
    Acee> you don't do authentication, you don't need a key.

Yes, this is a general problem, which is why I keep asking what are our
real requirements here.

    >> it doesn't handle walled gardens (a requirement being debated),

    Acee> I don't fully understand this requirement and how it would be
    Acee> handled w/o configuration.

I don't understand this criticism.  Why are walled gardens different
than multiple ISPs?

    >> it's not lightweight.

    Acee> A commercial router implementation supporting all the features
    Acee> including OSPF TE and VPNs is certainly not
    Acee> lightweight. However, I just downloaded the latest quagga
    Acee> suite and it is only about 21K there.

rtr3-[/usr/pkg/sbin] mcr 10007 %size ospf6d /usr/pkg/lib/libzebra.so.0
   text    data     bss     dec     hex filename
 221476   11328    3132  235936   399a0 ospf6d
 272449   23848    3120  299417   49199 /usr/pkg/lib/libzebra.so.0

No all of libzebra might really be used.  So 11K code, plus up to 23K.
I think that half of the code can be ripped out (and I wish I had time
to do).

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