Re: [homenet] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-homenet-arch-10

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 24 September 2013 23:04 UTC

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Cc: "<apps-discuss@ietf.org>" <apps-discuss@ietf.org>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>, Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net>, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-homenet-arch.all@tools.ietf.org, "homenet@ietf.org Group" <homenet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [homenet] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-homenet-arch-10
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On 25/09/2013 04:01, Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>> I believe that perhaps the title is now wrong.
>> I think that it should say:
>>    "Requirements for Home Networking for IPv6"
>>
>> (But, it's really more than requirements. It's just less than architecture)
> 
> I previously suggested "Preliminary architecture ..."   Would that address your concern?   I don't think it's precisely a requirements document; the document does what the working group currently needs it to do, and I would hate to see us spend another couple of meeting cycles turning it into a formal requirements document unless someone can make a clear argument that doing so is necessary.

Both 'framework' and 'architecture' mean different things to different
people. I could say the same about 'guidelines' too.

It doesn't matter which of these vague words we use. 'Preliminary
architecture' is fine. Just make sure that the abstract and introduction
set the reader's expectations correctly, which judging by SM's review
is not quite the case yet.

    Brian