Re: Alt-Svc WGLC

Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Mon, 11 January 2016 23:47 UTC

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To: Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>
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On 12 January 2016 at 03:05, Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org> wrote:
> How about "Clients MUST NOT use an alternative service with a host
> that is different from the origin's without strong server
> authentication of the alternative service declaration"?

That changes the intent.  The server that is ultimately contacted
(after all the alt-svc shenannigans) MUST be authoritative for the
origin of the resources that it serves.

Yes, we want to authenticate the alt-svc declaration, but that isn't
actually a necessary precondition on getting what we really want: an
authority for the resource itself.