Re: [hybi] Frame size
Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org> Mon, 19 April 2010 10:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Frame size
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Greg Wilkins wrote: > PS> Another alternative is to mandate a negotiation > of maximum message size in the handshake. TCP does something similar with MSS. In practice, there are routers which break some TCP ports(!) by fudging their own broken MSS negotiation into the middle. If routers can break TCP, I am sure proxies attempting to fudge their own message size limit into the middle of a WebSocket negotation is asking for trouble. Let's try to keep chunks and messages independent in such a way that proxies only care about chunks as much as they possibly can. (I.e. WS-aware firewalls will probably still care about message structure.) > Or somebody can come up with a good simple design for > error handling with large (or unlimited) frames. You could send TCP URG data on a direct connection, and this is one of it's most useful uses - avoiding the need to split data streams into lots of prefixed chunks :-) But TCP URG isn't handled by most proxies even including "transparent" (intercepting) TCP relays, so it's a total non-starter. -- Jamie
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