Re: [hybi] Frame size
Greg Wilkins <gregw@webtide.com> Fri, 16 April 2010 12:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Frame size
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I thought one of the key arguments for a limited frame size, is that we could avoid the need to consider end points that could not store an entire frame in a buffer at once. So 2 byte's can still result in a 64k maximum frame size that some devices might baulk at... but not many. However, if frame sizes were 4 bytes or more, then we have the issue that all end points will have a restriction of frame size that can be held in a buffer that is smaller than the maximal. We then need error handling for when a frame that is too large is offered etc. So if we are going to limit it, then is should be small enough so we can say that all websocket endpoints must be able to accept a minimal frame. In fact, I would argue for a 16k max frame size with 2 bits given over to help with partitioning and aggregation, but with no requirement that an endpoint can handle aggregation and partitioning (unless they indicate they can in the handshake). cheers
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