Re: [hybi] Extensibility mechanisms?

[Roberto Peon <[e-mail]>]

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Scott Ferguson <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>
>> Why do I take this view? A large part of the Web's success has come from
>> the "long tail" of content that exists only because the underlying formats
>> and protocols make it easy to do simple things. This has led to the
>> explosive growth of the Web. At the same time, it's clearly important to
>> consider the needs of larger organizations as well. A solution that works
>> for Joe Hobbyist Programmer at home, but doesn't meet the needs of, say,
>> Facebook or Yahoo, is not a complete solution. Large sites are clearly a
>> critical part of the Web's success as well.
>>
> I think a little more precision is important here.
>
> The client and server APIs must be suitable for amateur programmers, and
> the wire protocol must support those simple APIs, but it's _not_ important
> that the wire protocol be implementable by someone who can't understand
> buffering, chunking or encoding. After all, HTTP/1.1 requires those
> capabilities.
>

> The "long tail" in HTTP is enabled by the server APIs: CGI, mod_xxx, PHP,
> Servlets, ASP, etc, and the client javascript API. It is indeed very
> important that the server-side and client-side APIs for WebSockets be usable
> by hobbyist programmers to do simple things.
>
> However, the "long tail" are not writing hobbyist HTTP client or server
> protocol implementations.
>
> In addition, WebSockets is intrinsically multithreaded, which makes the
> claim that it's aimed at amateur implementers bizarre. WebSockets requires
> threading/async handling on both ends, which is beyond the capabilities of
> these hypothetical amateur programmers who cannot encode a simple frame.
> Programmers who can implement a threaded/async server can handle the trivial
> framing we're discussing. If they can't handle the framing, the
> threading/async requirements are beyond them.
>
> That's not a license to create CORBA 2, but does mean it's reasonable to
> require a basic level of competence from implementers.
>


Thanks, Scott, this is exactly my view as well.
 -=R



>
> -- Scott
>
>
>> I think ultimately these two goals are not fundamentally at odds. It may
>> be more challenging to satisfy both sets of needs, but we have a lot of
>> smart people here so we should be able to figure it out.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Maciej
>>
>>
>>
>>
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