Re: [Ideas] Your Input requested: Charter Proposal New Version

[Padma Pillay-Esnault <[e-mail]>]

Hi Yingzhen 

Thanks for pointing this out. Noted for next revision 

Padma

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> On Aug 7, 2017, at 08:57, Diego R. Lopez <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> On 7/8/2017, 17:23, "Ideas on behalf of Tom Herbert" <[e-mail] on behalf of [e-mail]> wrote:
> 
>    On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:20 PM, Padma Pillay-Esnault
>    <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Dear IDEAS,
>> 
>> Thanks to everyone who sent their comments and feedback both on the list and
>> off the list.
>> 
>> This new version should address comments from:
>> -  Michael Menth. Michael, please let us know if this revision address some
>> of your comments on clarity.
>> - Alex Clemm. Alex , please chime on the revision regarding your addition.
>> - Tom Herbert. Tom, Some of your suggestions are incorporated in this
>> version.
>> -Tom and Alex, this version include specific working that the framework is
>> modular. The set of areas to be covered has been reordered to put the basic
>> identifier protocol common infrastructure first and then the new identity
>> concept and functionalities.
>> - Georgios Karagiannis, Uma Chundhuri. Georgios, Uma, there is still an
>> ongoing discussion about the framework. This version is flexible enough to
>> accommodate the work to be done on defining the framework.
>> - Uma Chundhuri. Uma, the pub/sub reference should cover the inter-grids
>> aspect if needed.
>> 
>> Please find the new version below:
>> 
>> IDEAS: “IDentity EnAbled networkS”
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Proposed Charter
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Network solutions based on the concept of Identifier-Locator separation are
>> increasingly considered to support mobility and multi-homing across
>> heterogeneous access networks. Identifier-locator separation protocols
>> require infrastructure that allows nodes to discover the network topological
>> location(s) of its peer(s) for packet delivery. A common infrastructure and
>> protocol could be used by identifier/locator protocols as well as network
>> virtualization. However, additional infrastructure and new protocol
>> extensions are needed to address new requirements that go well beyond the
>> traditional discovery service and mapping of identifier-to-location for
>> packet delivery.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At the same time, end users require greater privacy for their networking
>> information and protection from outside threats, while operators demand
>> greater operational efficiency. Identity-enabled networks aim to enable
>> networking applications and services that provide a high degree of privacy
>> and control of end points over their networking data, coupled with greater
>> inherent security than provided by today’s networks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To this end, the working group shall:
>> 
>> - define a framework for the development of an identifier/locator mapping
>> system that provides a common solution for all identifier/locator mapping
>> protocols and network virtualization.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - in addition, introduce the concept of identity-identifier split and new
>> mechanisms that let endpoints dynamically change identifiers. These new
>> functionalities may, for example, facilitate anonymity through obscurity
>> while preventing security issues that might result from abuse, ensuring that
>> information about actual endpoints and their location is revealed only on a
>> need-to-know basis.
>> 
>    Padma,
> 
>    I don't think this goes far enough in terms of protections for users
>    against the potential abuse of something that might be able to
>    individually and persistently identify them on the Internet. First,
>    it's not clear what network layer identity means in this context. I
>    hope it refers to an ad hoc collection of identifiers as opposed to
>    the identity of individual users or devices. In any case maybe a
>    definition of identity might be in order here. Secondly, I think it
>    should be stated up front that identity cannot in any way be used to
>    identify individual users, it cannot be used to create a global
>    database of Internet users, in no way can it be used by networks or
>    governments to track or block individuals, nor can it ever be required
>    for communications. That implies network layer identities cannot
>    contain PII (personally identifiable information) and cannot be
>    permanently assigned to users or devices (in the same spirit that
>    Ethernet addresses were removed from IIDs because of privacy
>    concerns).
> 
>    Thanks,
>    Tom
> 
> When it comes to these concerns I’d strongly recommend to have a look at how identity attributes were exchanged and trust established within the ABFAB framework (https://tools.ietf.org/wg/abfab/)
> 
> Be goode,
> 
> 
> 
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