Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.txt - WG Adoption and IPR call (9/27 to 10/11/2022)

Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Sat, 08 October 2022 11:02 UTC

Return-Path: <robert@raszuk.net>
X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DDBC152590 for <idr@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 8 Oct 2022 04:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.106
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.106 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=raszuk.net
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eWiWUXaQ0ktE for <idr@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 8 Oct 2022 04:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-wm1-x32a.google.com (mail-wm1-x32a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E771C152587 for <idr@ietf.org>; Sat, 8 Oct 2022 04:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-wm1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id ay36so4230792wmb.0 for <idr@ietf.org>; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 04:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=raszuk.net; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=mau0hghjJDrk3lKOhx45klwHQJJHvR9NM2DqDfLnnEo=; b=Kjhn5e2zJXyDBahS7F6RVE+XY89rZoDVXk8VR2i+bDIT//HnB2jRKiFF+ut4nTkW60 cX/pvKBkrUXIR4maLaZBx/uLjVMXR30N7douBEN7p8IeccSTON+oXh7a835/aQx96K2s b8ihrt6im0vmc6LtK/N7kBdsSHUfnTeDJJsaafsRm+Y8Ua/4eh1vNuiw6qtpP+5NAUvE xPl9U0Lbf1wGbQIJXbycuW23JIP64TldPDFbJldBC0FbFQNf4fGNQ6X0oJJ9qKpZ0QnT na/JkTkAXjBBQNCG70bfeBQOixzYIZiFkwS2B8sc/pwJRR5/tTSYQr+b1+jjhgHEvV4e 5qjA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=mau0hghjJDrk3lKOhx45klwHQJJHvR9NM2DqDfLnnEo=; b=Qrz0aYVeIwGlQrkfu3pNRN5WXEEH2VoIpexI/AXS5MgZiyNoiuJXHVz4kGHbNqmfnA x0B83j1WtxUj5TigB3wQOxP4JSRFqQIvMouhL0GyWwwJzrf+48PF8NHMfV+Z5Vo/xt0R s6lJ1uOYaQMcJD5G4CS9U0+qtjskWXO5EpmsgDskkWWRMA+VcDoj3/09BBuk+2BVCJYD L7fWjuL7wg5uewkuBlO+g93JhETM43ouieN++xmH5jgHK+OCrXqY5RBEHNjRL3ZgVh8U AU3ruK3CR1lLlisbbk6T99QYilOxVIEVzRPgKiOCQCr4TbPEZ3qXS57I3JcrJ7VvRO9B 5+yA==
X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3FHfqLKkkqN4y18Z08vBYn9LDE03d/e7ded1q6vnnRPk9fWkIT jyK6O2sUJLTnY5BzR5BNdC+fMk86ya/O7NqAzHazUA==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5IWCCnWFvDUQu0F5r9XwMuT2D6WLcXFEFprtPjJfw1Bjy60Ot0P3RC8LYrqrQZhcVZMnsYTUuYbyriV67ckIg=
X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:524b:b0:3b4:8c0c:f3b6 with SMTP id fc11-20020a05600c524b00b003b48c0cf3b6mr13853932wmb.50.1665226969965; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 04:02:49 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <BYAPR08MB4872EEE329BDDDCC0F387B17B3559@BYAPR08MB4872.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> <CAOj+MMGmOvK-THYVc=+A27Fwfp-BHooeNrDJVYsj0owC=N68Xw@mail.gmail.com> <f538e87e035543b885078bea25abe18f@huawei.com> <CAOj+MME0qRbxNhW1fuAmDV7nyjLz+akO6Hap1x+bzxsfCNN+Mg@mail.gmail.com> <fb876effd5ca48a9b3582ada2fe39e15@huawei.com> <CAOj+MMHxaxWmrgXxCdacH0Qw4rHp6ebWfJNPs5Soa=L3=mwTwg@mail.gmail.com> <bd5305bd2a884f8bb75a964a238275ff@huawei.com>
In-Reply-To: <bd5305bd2a884f8bb75a964a238275ff@huawei.com>
From: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 13:03:28 +0200
Message-ID: <CAOj+MMEeSmgnkNcG5Fbkeugvxf71UcuwJKAQk6jaYdmqY0Dc3A@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Cc: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, "idr@ietf. org" <idr@ietf.org>, "Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000003fc0605ea83def4"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/g4zb_QnM_wcsPAZGXswl84ztcqs>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.txt - WG Adoption and IPR call (9/27 to 10/11/2022)
X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing <idr.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/idr/>
List-Post: <mailto:idr@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 11:02:56 -0000

>
> As for the use cases, please refer to the slides we presented on IETF 109
> IDR session, which gave an example of the problem to be solved by this
> mechanism:
>
>
>
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/materials/slides-109-idr-sessb-03-ietf109-idr-node-target-ext-comm-00
>

All the slides say that you are proposing to use BGP to distribute static
routes, configuration or policy in a targetted manner.

I really do not think BGP is the right tool for this.

Such distribution should be performed using a management plane not dynamic
routing protocol. This is abuse of BGP.

Regards,
Robert