Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.txt - WG Adoption and IPR call (9/27 to 10/11/2022)
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Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.txt - WG Adoption and IPR call (9/27 to 10/11/2022)
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Robert, Tom, Inline please. On 2022-09-29 17:45, Robert Raszuk wrote: > > I did search the BGP protocol RFC and was struck by its absence > except for the one RFC I mentioned. > > Well there is also rfc6198, rfc1745, rfc4798, rfc4216, rfc5152 etc ... > > Thank you, > R. > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 5:33 PM tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com > <mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com>> wrote: > > From: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net <mailto:robert@raszuk.net>> > Sent: 29 September 2022 16:29 > > Hi Tom, > > > Is the term ASBR well-understood in the context of BGP ASBR is in the RFC-Editor's list of abbreviation and marked as "well-known", which means that it does not have to expanded in a new RFC, That said, if the authors think there is a value in expanding (or explaining) they are free to do so. /Loa > > It is a very well known term and widely used across many documents > in the context of BGP protocol. Sometimes you will see folks > abbreviating it to "BR", but the BGP speaker which talks EBGP is > almost always called Autonomous System Border Router (I used word > "almost" as there is an exception - confederations). > > Robert > Thanks for that. If the author used EBGP, I would have known what > he meant! I did search the BGP protocol RFC and was struck by its > absence except for the one RFC I mentioned. In OSPF it is well > defined and I would not have commented on it. > > Tom Petch > > Thx, > Robert. > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 10:23 AM tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com > <mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com><mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com > <mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com>>> wrote: > From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org > <mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org><mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org > <mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org>>> on behalf of Susan Hares > <shares@ndzh.com <mailto:shares@ndzh.com><mailto:shares@ndzh.com > <mailto:shares@ndzh.com>>> > Sent: 27 September 2022 18:30 > > This begins a 2 week WG adoption and IPR call for > draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.txt. > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm/> > > <tp> > The protocol depends in part on whether or not a router is an ASBR. > I am used to seeing that term used in the context of OSPF and not of > BGP. I did find a usage in RFC7705 but note that that RFC felt it > necessary to explain what an ASBR was. Is the term ASBR > well-understood in the context of BGP (as opposed to OSPF)? > > I find the IANA Considerations imprecise. It asks for a new > sub-type in a registry whose name is not present in IANA; there is > one that is close (but no cigar). > > Likewise, it talks of 'registry of the "BGP Extended Communities" > registry'. This is wrong on two counts. A registry is part of a > registry group, not part of a registry (prior to recent discussions > on the Last Call list I would have just said 'group'). Second, > there are no BGP registry groups and that identifier does not appear > anywhere on the IANA website AFAICT. > > Tom Petch > > The authors should respond to this email with an IPR statement. > > The WG should consider in their discussion: > 1) Will this new transitive extended community help > in operational networks? > > 2) What conflicts does this new Extended Community have > with other functions in general BGP route distribution or > VPNs (EVPN, IPVPN)? > > 3) do you have any concern about the text in the draft? > > Cheerily, Sue > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org <mailto:Idr@ietf.org><mailto:Idr@ietf.org > <mailto:Idr@ietf.org>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr> > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert loa.pi.nu@gmail.com Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64
- [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.txt … Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Loa Andersson
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Wanghaibo (Rainsword)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Lizhenbin
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Wanghaibo (Rainsword)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Chongfeng Xie
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… duzongpeng@foxmail.com
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Giuseppe Fioccola
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Chengli
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Yisong Liu
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Kausik Majumdar
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… pangran@chinaunicom.cn
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.… Robert Raszuk