Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.txt - WG Adoption and IPR call (9/27 to 10/11/2022)

Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Fri, 21 October 2022 16:19 UTC

Return-Path: <jhaas@pfrc.org>
X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDEEC15258B for <idr@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:19:13 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.911
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Nw8SOPKZ46C for <idr@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:19:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D97C1526E5 for <idr@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtpclient.apple (99-59-193-67.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net [99.59.193.67]) by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 313941E039; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 12:18:53 -0400 (EDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\))
From: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>
In-Reply-To: <m28rl9dvsn.wl-randy@psg.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 12:18:51 -0400
Cc: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, Gert Doering <gert@space.net>, idr <idr@ietf.org>, Sue Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, "Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "Van De Velde, Gunter \\(Nokia - BE/Antwerp\\)" <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <0D810195-CFC6-43C6-84F7-609CAA4B3C7F@pfrc.org>
References: <028ECC42-2021-4D00-9B31-B323F2480DAA@gmail.com> <Y0mJ2CJQbUbf6pzO@Space.Net> <20221014182353.GF2066@pfrc.org> <CAOj+MMGr3X58yCoR9uLXmoNUtk4b+=00o2JB9tEKpENTU6M6Yw@mail.gmail.com> <20221019214126.GB10497@pfrc.org> <CAOj+MMHafWNKaDBfcvdVKz7RoX4eFxkk2KjVvqN9vS=2+vNeGw@mail.gmail.com> <20221019222746.GD10497@pfrc.org> <CAOj+MMEstWKm+xoWBRFJjJW-vhX_4BKerWCt94GiQT+W5tELPA@mail.gmail.com> <20221020204232.GD19035@pfrc.org> <CAOj+MMFAkrq4bTyx-Gf4ivfBetnaH0bSJo34wmyXwXL5nQEWxg@mail.gmail.com> <20221020210047.GA25483@pfrc.org> <CAOj+MMHtk5hJ17K_7e5MjGLxKbTP2mCoAZ0z085PV+5VzmaPrw@mail.gmail.com> <m28rl9dvsn.wl-randy@psg.com>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/ofcFXFdmu5SkeeP_joSPDXnW6lU>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-05.txt - WG Adoption and IPR call (9/27 to 10/11/2022)
X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing <idr.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/idr/>
List-Post: <mailto:idr@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 16:19:13 -0000


> On Oct 21, 2022, at 11:46 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> 
>> If such systems do not behave by withdrawing previously advertised
>> state, they are broken.  Hopefully impacted customers raise the
>> necessary bug reports.
> 
> do you realize that this is a joke?  when i have a broken network,
> waiting months or years for a vendor fix is s good reason to change
> vendor.

Indeed.

Perhaps Robert will share whose implementation is intentionally broken in this fashion to help shortcut that process.

-- Jeff (who has been biting back far sharper comments)