Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN range
David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Tue, 10 July 2012 00:21 UTC
Return-Path: <farmer@umn.edu>
X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F8411E8148 for <idr@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:21:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3j3JAzyzHvWY for <idr@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:21:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from vs-m.tc.umn.edu (vs-m.tc.umn.edu [134.84.135.97]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7F911E8123 for <idr@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:20:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.213.171]) by vs-m.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for <idr@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:21:15 -0500 (CDT)
X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.213.171] #+LO+TR
X-Umn-Classification: local
Received: by mail-yx0-f171.google.com with SMTP id q11so19407696yen.16 for <idr@ietf.org>; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:21:15 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent:mime-version :to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=X452oZFOgA4olVxJjaEyMqIsgdGyrbVCNl3WSPckOCE=; b=kRe4BWXMefrDvgJ+xAU9ODMjzozxG9yoTNUJWai6Jwpqcx8C7eCHeBZft2ar7rpbjP IwRbmtLBX7mcDpDzYR9i+68YCiDSpRehixG0BdCdeN1psjTCePkAm92Uc5GXw1xCZ+eX AVzpEZh4I/09GJnw2CrCdo8MG8jveYLInR5u0VggPhunCDL6HmvsOf1XiIZ8fUUJlzC+ rFKnOM+4+GmpZ+LK4jBx1un/dZZ3DEV8ZvWg4aiDnN5k7ebNG8ZzH/2Ug2QIXNp0GoWO PLHtDg3Hn857GuY4izATz1TaCZtRrF+j4RUCDSaPowErNZx5uI/hR1prcmNTtMw83Yln IYLw==
Received: by 10.50.100.137 with SMTP id ey9mr9771860igb.61.1341879675232; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:21:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from x-134-84-88-76.nts.umn.edu ([2607:ea00:101:2001:223:dfff:fe83:bf68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nh1sm10263246igc.11.2012.07.09.17.21.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:21:14 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4FFB7579.2030008@umn.edu>
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:21:13 -0500
From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
Organization: University of Minnesota
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>, Jon Mitchell <jrmitche@puck.nether.net>
References: <20120702164834.GB13713@puck.nether.net> <20120702184737.GV18361@pfrc> <20120703015521.GB22452@puck.nether.net> <20120703021238.GM18361@pfrc> <20120703133948.GB22598@puck.nether.net> <20120709172545.GF22984@pfrc> <20120709202700.GA5264@puck.nether.net> <20120709203936.GB3348@pfrc>
In-Reply-To: <20120709203936.GB3348@pfrc>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm2kv2FdXS9eZPb4YRDX5PRdUcfAZDq0NO0w1IofUmle/DsGzuPuv9UcxeOYglTbDXjLt0J
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN range
X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
Reply-To: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing <idr.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr>
List-Post: <mailto:idr@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:21:01 -0000
I just had an idea I though I would float. What if this draft dealt exclusively with defining a new larger private range in 4-byte ASN land. It wouldn't have to update RFC 1930 then and it could just stand on its own, RFC 1930 could just be a Normative Reference defining Private Use ASNs. Then do another Draft "Special Use ASNs", kind of the ASN equilivant of RFC 5735, summarizing all of the special use ASNs with References. Then it could clarify that 65535 is not a Private ASN but a reserved ASN, updating RFC 1930 if that is really necessary. Just a quick list; 0 - Reserved - draft-ietf-idr-as0, RFC 1997 and RFC 6491 23456 - AS_TRANS - RFC 4893 64496-64511 - Documentation (16-bit) - RFC 5398 64512-65534 - Private Use (16-bit) - RFC 1930 65535 - Reserved - RFC 1997 65536-65551 - Documentation (32-bit) - RFC 5398 {new private range} - Private Use (32-bit) - draft-mitchell-idr-as-private-reservation 4294967295 - Reserved - Does this have a special use or is it just reserved, as all ones? There are already a non-trivial number of Special Use ASNs or ranges of ASNs, enough that having them summarized in a single place would probably be helpful. I know I find RFC 5735 useful from time to time. Like I said, just an idea I thought I would float. Thanks. On 7/9/12 15:39 CDT, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 04:27:00PM -0400, Jon Mitchell wrote: >> However, >> since this draft proposes to update RFC 1930, I'm still inclined to >> "fix" this documentation issue (whether or not vendors choose to strip >> the last ASN is another matter and I don't believe this stripping >> behavior has ever been stadarized by IETF anyway), by putting both >> ranges in the RFC and ending the existing range at 65534 so that IETF >> and IANA can agree on the private use range. > > If the draft ends up solely dealing with instructions to IANA, it'd be fine > for it to be in there. It'd simply reflect the current registration of > 65535 as "reserved". > >> Do you think for consistency sake and future possible use to not include >> the last ASN of the new private use range as well? > > This rather depends on where the new private range lies. In the case of the > 2-byte space, the last private AS also happened to be the all-1's number. > If the new private AS range is at the end of the possible range, we'd want > that. Note that 2^32-1 is already reserved in the registry. > > -- Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN range Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … heasley
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN … David Farmer