Re: [Ietf-languages] Forms for variants of Ladin

I agree that 'anpezo' is the better subtag -
Anpëz, Ampëz and Anpezo are all (locally) well-known forms for this region,
but Anpezo is the one used by the Ladin Cultural Institute [1] in that
region and by the media [2].
Thank you for pointing this out.

Samuel

[1] https://www.istitutoladino.org/
[2] https://www.lausc.it/valedes-ladines/anpezo

Am Fr., 16. Feb. 2024 um 19:40 Uhr schrieb Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org>:

> 'valbadia' was the subtag originally proposed by Samuel back in November,
> before others were added. The subtag values as currently proposed were
> arrived at after some previous values were rejected administratively (too
> short, invalid character).
>
> Personally, I don’t see any advantage to truncating 'fascia' and
> 'valbadia', which are the actual names of the regions, to fit an artificial
> length limit. In fact, if 'anpez' is simply a truncation to 5 rather than
> an adjectival or locally well-known form, I might slightly prefer 'anpezo'.
>
> --
> Doug Ewell, CC, ALB | Lakewood, CO, US | ewellic.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ietf-languages <ietf-languages-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of
> Michael Everson
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 11:28
> To: ietf-languages@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Forms for variants of Ladin
>
> I am happy enough with these. Would there be any utility in having them
> all have the same length (5 letters)?
>
> M
>
> > On Feb 4, 2024, at 06:05, Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org> wrote:
> >
> > Based on Samuel Frontull’s updated suggestions for subtag values, here
> is a complete and updated set of proposed records and registration forms
> for the five variant subtags for Ladin.
> >
> > In addition to updating the subtag values, these forms have been
> modified to lowercase the word “standard” in the Description fields, for
> consistency with many other variant records in the Registry, and to enforce
> line wrapping to a maximum of 72 UTF-8 code units per line, particularly in
> the Comments fields. The presumed typo “Luncia’ was also changed to “Lucia’.
> >
> > The review period for these subtags ends Sunday, February 18 AoE. Please
> review these forms and send comments to the list by that time.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION
> > File-Date: 2024-xx-xx
> > %%
> > Type: variant
> > Subtag: anpez
> > Description: Anpezo standard of Ladin
> > Added: 2024-xx-xx
> > Prefix: lld
> > Comments: Represents the standard written form of Ladin in Anpezo %%
> >
> > ---
> >
> > LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
> >   1. Name of requester: Samuel Frontull
> >   2. E-mail address of requester: samuelfrontull@gmail.com
> >   3. Record Requested:
> >
> >      Type: variant
> >      Subtag: anpez
> >      Description: Anpezo standard of Ladin
> >      Prefix: lld
> >      Comments: Represents the standard written form of Ladin in Anpezo
> >
> >   4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
> >
> >      The subtag represents the standard written form of Ladin in Anpezo.
> >
> >   5. Reference to published description
> >      of the language (book or article):
> >
> >      - Tobia Moroder, "The Ladins of the Dolomites", Folio Verlag,
> > Istitut Ladin Micurá de Rü, 2016
> >
> > https://www.plus.ac.at/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/RB-The-Ladins-2022.p
> > df
> >
> >      - Wikipedia contributors, "Ladin language," Wikipedia, The Free
> > Encyclopedia,
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ladin_language&oldid=119720
> > 5539
> > (accessed February 1, 2024).
> >
> >   6. Any other relevant information:
> >
> >    The development and preservation of this specific variant (and of
> > Ladin in general) is one of the objectives of the Ladin Cultural
> > Institute "Cesa de Jan" [1].
> >    News written in this variant are published on the website of "La
> > Usc di Ladins" [2].
> >
> >    [1] https://www.istitutoladino.org/
> >    [2] https://www.lausc.it/valedes-ladines/anpezo
> >
> > ---
> >
> > LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION
> > File-Date: 2024-xx-xx
> > %%
> > Type: variant
> > Subtag: fascia
> > Description: Fascia standard of Ladin
> > Added: 2024-xx-xx
> > Prefix: lld
> > Comments: Represents the standard written form of Ladin in Fascia
> > which  unified the three subvarieties Cazet, Brach and Moenat %%
> >
> > ---
> >
> > LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
> >   1. Name of requester: Samuel Frontull
> >   2. E-mail address of requester: samuelfrontull@gmail.com
> >   3. Record Requested:
> >
> >      Type: variant
> >      Subtag: fascia
> >      Description: Fascia standard of Ladin
> >      Prefix: lld
> >      Comments: Represents the standard written form of Ladin in Fascia
> which
> >        unified the three subvarieties Cazet, Brach and Moenat
> >
> >   4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
> >
> >      The subtag represents the standard written form of Ladin in
> > Fascia which unified the three subvarieties Cazet, Brach and Moenat
> > spoken in this region.
> >
> >   5. Reference to published description
> >      of the language (book or article):
> >
> >      - Tobia Moroder, "The Ladins of the Dolomites", Folio Verlag,
> > Istitut Ladin Micurá de Rü, 2016
> >
> > https://www.plus.ac.at/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/RB-The-Ladins-2022.p
> > df
> >
> >      - Wikipedia contributors, "Ladin language," Wikipedia, The Free
> > Encyclopedia,
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ladin_language&oldid=119720
> > 5539
> > (accessed February 1, 2024).
> >
> >   6. Any other relevant information:
> >
> >    The development and preservation of this specific variant (and of
> > Ladin in general) is one of the objectives of the Ladin Cultural
> > Institute "Majon di Fascegn" [1].
> >    News written in this variant are published on the website of "La
> > Usc di Ladins" [2].
> >
> >    [1] https://www.istladin.net/it/istitut-cultural-ladin
> >    [2] https://www.lausc.it/valedes-ladines/fascia
> >
> > ---
> >
> > LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION
> > File-Date: 2024-xx-xx
> > %%
> > Type: variant
> > Subtag: fodom
> > Description: Fodom standard of Ladin
> > Added: 2024-xx-xx
> > Prefix: lld
> > Comments: Represents the standard written form of Ladin in
> > Livinallongo  and Colle Santa Lucia %%
> >
> > ---
> >
> > LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
> >   1. Name of requester: Samuel Frontull
> >   2. E-mail address of requester: samuelfrontull@gmail.com
> >   3. Record Requested:
> >
> >      Type: variant
> >      Subtag: fodom
> >      Description: Fodom standard of Ladin
> >      Prefix: lld
> >      Comments: Represents the standard written form of Ladin in
> Livinallongo
> >        and Colle Santa Lucia
> >
> >   4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
> >
> >      The subtag represents the standard written form of Ladin in
> > Livinallongo and Colle Santa Lucia.
> >
> >   5. Reference to published description
> >      of the language (book or article):
> >
> >      - Tobia Moroder, "The Ladins of the Dolomites", Folio Verlag,
> > Istitut Ladin Micurá de Rü, 2016
> >
> > https://www.plus.ac.at/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/RB-The-Ladins-2022.p
> > df
> >
> >      - Wikipedia contributors, "Ladin language," Wikipedia, The Free
> > Encyclopedia,
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ladin_language&oldid=119720
> > 5539
> > (accessed February 1, 2024).
> >
> >   6. Any other relevant information:
> >
> >    The development and preservation of this specific variant (and of
> > Ladin in general) is one of the objectives of the Ladin Cultural
> > Institute "Cesa de Jan" [1].
> >    News written in this variant are published on the website of "La
> > Usc di Ladins" [2].
> >
> >    [1] https://www.istitutoladino.org/
> >    [2] https://www.lausc.it/valedes-ladines/fodom
> >
> > ---
> >
> > LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION
> > File-Date: 2024-xx-xx
> > %%
> > Type: variant
> > Subtag: gherd
> > Description: Gherdëina standard of Ladin
> > Added: 2024-xx-xx
> > Prefix: lld
> > Comments: Represents the standard written form of Ladin in Gherdëina
> > %%
> >
> > ---
> >
> > LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
> >   1. Name of requester: Samuel Frontull
> >   2. E-mail address of requester: samuelfrontull@gmail.com
> >   3. Record Requested:
> >
> >      Type: variant
> >      Subtag: gherd
> >      Description: Gherdëina standard of Ladin
> >      Prefix: lld
> >      Comments: Represents the standard written form of Ladin in
> > Gherdëina
> >
> >   4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
> >
> >      The subtag represents the standard written form of Ladin in
> Gherdëina.
> >
> >   5. Reference to published description
> >      of the language (book or article):
> >
> >      - Tobia Moroder, "The Ladins of the Dolomites", Folio Verlag,
> > Istitut Ladin Micurá de Rü, 2016
> >
> > https://www.plus.ac.at/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/RB-The-Ladins-2022.p
> > df
> >
> >      - Wikipedia contributors, "Ladin language," Wikipedia, The Free
> > Encyclopedia,
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ladin_language&oldid=119720
> > 5539
> > (accessed February 1, 2024).
> >
> >
> >   6. Any other relevant information:
> >
> >    The development and preservation of this specific variant (and of
> > Ladin in general) is one of the objectives of the Ladin Cultural
> > Institute "Micurá de Rü" [1].
> >    News written in this variant are published on the website of "La
> > Usc di Ladins" [2].
> >
> >    [1] https://www.micura.it/en/istitut-ladin/objectives
> >    [2] https://www.lausc.it/valedes-ladines/gherdeina
> >
> > ---
> >
> > LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION
> > File-Date: 2024-xx-xx
> > %%
> > Type: variant
> > Subtag: valbadia
> > Description: Val Badia standard of Ladin
> > Added: 2024-xx-xx
> > Prefix: lld
> > Comments: Represents the standard written form of Ladin in the Val
> > Badia, unifying the three variants Marô, Mesaval and Badiot spoken  in
> > this valley %%
> >
> > ---
> >
> > LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
> >   1. Name of requester: Samuel Frontull
> >   2. E-mail address of requester: samuelfrontull@gmail.com
> >   3. Record Requested:
> >
> >      Type: variant
> >      Subtag: valbadia
> >      Description: Val Badia standard of Ladin
> >      Prefix: lld
> >      Comments: Represents the standard written form of Ladin in the Val
> >        Badia, unifying the three variants Marô, Mesaval and Badiot spoken
> >        in this valley
> >
> >   4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
> >
> >      The subtag represents the standard written form of Ladin in the
> > Val Badia, unifying the three variants Marô, Mesaval and Badiot spoken
> > in this valley.
> >
> >   5. Reference to published description
> >      of the language (book or article):
> >
> >      - Tobia Moroder, "The Ladins of the Dolomites", Folio Verlag,
> > Istitut Ladin Micurá de Rü, 2016
> >
> > https://www.plus.ac.at/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/RB-The-Ladins-2022.p
> > df
> >
> >      - Wikipedia contributors, "Ladin language," Wikipedia, The Free
> > Encyclopedia,
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ladin_language&oldid=119720
> > 5539
> > (accessed February 1, 2024).
> >
> >   6. Any other relevant information:
> >
> >    The development and preservation of this specific variant (and of
> > Ladin in general) is one of the objectives of the Ladin Cultural
> > Institute "Micurá de Rü" [1].
> >    News written in this variant are published on the website of "La
> > Usc di Ladins" [2].
> >
> >    [1] https://www.micura.it/en/istitut-ladin/objectives
> >    [2] https://www.lausc.it/valedes-ladines/val-badia
> >
> >
> > --
> > Doug Ewell, CC, ALB | Lakewood, CO, US | ewellic.org
> >
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