Re: Pending requests
Kent Karlsson <kent.karlsson14@telia.com> Thu, 26 November 2015 16:47 UTC
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:47:16 +0100
Subject: Re: Pending requests
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Den 2015-11-26 14:23, skrev "Philip Newton" <philip.newton@gmail.com>: > On 26 November 2015 at 12:19, Kent Karlsson <kent.karlsson14@telia.com> wrote: >> So, instead of "-simple" or "-basic", something along the lines of: >> >> -levelB1 >> -levelB2 >> -levelC1 >> -levelC2 >> >> (referring to the CEFR levels) would be my preference. > > How about "-cefrb1 .. -cefrc2" to make it more explicit that "B1" etc. > refer to CEFR levels? Maybe, except that it looks like alphabet soup and thus extra prone to misspelling. > Since it's a European thing, it might not be immediately obvious to > everyone what "B1 level" is. It's not altogether a European thing. According to the Wikipedia article: "Canada increasingly uses the CEFR in a few domains. CEFR-compatible exams [..] are administered. Universities increasingly structure their courses around the CERF levels. Larry Vandergrift of the University of Ottawa has proposed Canadian adoption of the CEFR [...]" According to http://www.cambridgeenglish.org/why-cambridge-english/international-language -standards/ (referenced from the Wikipedia page): "The Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR) plays a central role in language and education policy **worldwide**. [...]" (my emphasis) Arbitrarily picking the Vietnamese Wikipedia version, and Google translating that (thus the bad English in the quote) I get: "[...] abbreviated as CEFR or CEF, is a Rules to describe the level of students learning foreign languagesin Europe and are becoming more widely used in many other countries (eg, Colombia and the Philippines)." (I had hoped for it saying "in Vietnam"...) re Colombia: http://www.plc.edu.co/category/our-institution/common-european-framework-ref erence-cefr The CEFR levels are also used by the United Nations, https://hr.un.org/sites/hr.un.org/files/file/refmaterials/documents/Guidelin es%20for%20the%20organization%20of%20language%20learning%20courses%20v.March %202014_0.pdf: "The CEFR is a major development in language teaching and learning. It has contributed to the setting of common standards for establishing goals and measuring achievement; [...] The framework is based on practical, comprehensible “can do” statements that cover elements of communicative competences for the six levels [...] For example, the United Nations proficiency examination for each of the six official languages includes questions at the B2 and C1 levels." What I would NOT like to see is a proliferation of such level systems being given subtags in LSR. That would be utterly unhelpful. (Plus: The ones more heavily based on numbers (usually 0-5) are especially confusing since the same numbers mean different levels in different systems, indeed some systems even reverse the scale with 1 being highest and higher numbers meaning lower proficiency.) So I'm trying to pick the "winning horse" here, as well as something that is not altogether confusing. /Kent K > Cheers, > Philip
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Pending requests Doug Ewell
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Mark Davis ☕️
- RE: Pending requests Doug Ewell
- Re: Pending requests Johannes Wilkes
- Re: Pending requests David Starner
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
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- Re: Pending requests David Starner
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- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
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- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Philip Newton
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- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
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- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Basic English Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Basic English Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Basic English Michael Everson
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- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
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- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
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- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
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