Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working definition for Privacy Online?
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Thu, 05 May 2016 13:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working definition for Privacy Online?
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On 5/5/2016 1:30 AM, Robin Wilton wrote: > Privacy can also be a subjective thing (for instance, some people > think it's important to draw their curtains in the evening - others > don't). That subjectivity makes privacy a highly contextual thing, This is an Alice, Through the Looking Glass perspective on the term. At the least, it means it is not a technical term, in which case using it in technical contexts is mostly going to cause confusion, since one speaker's intended meaning will differ from another listener's... Standards work is primarily an exercise in gaining group consensus on technical specifics. If 'privacy' is to be a technical term, then we need to agree on its specifics. That doesn't mean the term needs lots of fine-grained detail. In fact, for something this important and this basic, it needs as little detail as possible, while still serving to guide technical choices. > Privacy is about retaining the ability to disclose data consensually, > and with expectations regarding the context and scope of sharing. ... > http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2013/12/language-privacy This looks like an entirely reasonable and helpful definition, as I noted a year ago. There are other, similarly short and focused, definitions. Each is reasonable. And while the differences in the definitions probably matter, I think that the need to focus technical work requires choosing one. If we want the term to have useful substance. The fact that choosing one has some challenges is being used as a reason for not trying. That's an ironic excuse, for an organization whose primary reason for being is the development of community consensus on non-trivial choices... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
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- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Robin Wilton
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Rob van Eijk
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Fred Yeboah
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Josh Howlett
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Christian Huitema
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… taxakis
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Fred Yeboah
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Christian Huitema
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… David Singer
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Robin Wilton
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Robin Wilton
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- Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working d… Stephen Farrell
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