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Re: PS Characterization Clarified

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Wed, 04 September 2013 16:32 UTC

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> OK, somebody has to say it.  Maybe we should have another state,
> something like draft standard.

[ sob alluded to a private message from me which said ]

while i really like the idea of pushing well-tested interoperable
documents to full standards, i think tested interop is key here.
hence i liked the old interop tests for ds and am not all that happy
to see it go (yes, i whined privately to russ).

our protocols are rarely based on any testable formalism, computer
science, mathematics, ...  we live on a pile of crap hacks.  interop
is about all that keeps us from entropic degeneration.

randy

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