Re: [netmod] Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry
Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> Mon, 01 December 2014 22:30 UTC
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On 01/12/2014 15:48, Thomas D. Nadeau wrote: > >> On Dec 1, 2014:3:26 AM, at 3:26 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com >> <mailto:bclaise@cisco.com>> wrote: >> >> Dean, >> >> See in-line. >>> Benoit, >>> >>> You describe the situation really well, but as next step we have to >>> get more organized and more coordination in modeling work. We have >>> to make sure that there is not too much overlap between efforts, not >>> too waste resources >> ... and inconsistencies between data models, which is my primary concern. >> >> Let's take one example: policies. I see policies in many YANG models. >> How do we make sure the policie definitions are consistent and >> extensible? How can we coordinate this (huge) effort? Who is in >> charge? The collective responsibility might not be enough… > > Coordination is only one issue: its operational efficacy that is also > of paramount importance here. We should do what we’ve done in NETMOD's > “design teams”: pair up people that are truly implementing > functionality in real or virtual devices with operators to ensure that > the models created are grounded in the realities of implementation and > deployment. +1 Regards, Benoit > > —Tom > > >> >>> and as well create an architecture description document, where the >>> relationship between models will be described. With that we can see >>> which models can be reused as base model in other models. >>> Good example of coordination is the rtg-coord-yang mailing list, but >>> we need one for all IETF, to be able to find what are other the >>> teams working on. >> Right. >> >> Regards, Benoit >>> >>> We should not let this momentum go away and with few simple steps >>> (like improving coordination and system meta architecture), continue >>> to feed positive energy into this situation. >>> >>> Dean >>> On Nov 27, 2014, at 6:31 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com >>> <mailto:bclaise@cisco.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> [netmod WG list is bcc'ed] >>>> >>>> Enjoyhttp://www.ietf.org/blog/2014/11/yang-really-takes-off-in-the-industry/ >>>> >>>> Regards, Benoit >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> netmod mailing list >>>> netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>> >> >> >
- Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Benoit Claise
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Jari Arkko
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Benoit Claise
- RE: [netmod] Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the I… Tina TSOU
- Re: [netmod] Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the I… Dean Bogdanovic
- Re: [netmod] Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the I… Benoit Claise
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: [netmod] Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the I… Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: [netmod] Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the I… Dean Bogdanovic
- Re: [netmod] Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the I… Benoit Claise
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Randy Bush
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Dean Bogdanovic
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Tim Wicinski
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Dean Bogdanovic
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Ted Lemon
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Dean Bogdanovic
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- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Dean Bogdanovic
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- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Benoit Claise
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Benoit Claise
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Benoit Claise
- Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry Thomas D. Nadeau
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