Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry

"Thomas D. Nadeau" <tnadeau@lucidvision.com> Tue, 02 December 2014 00:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: Blog: YANG Really Takes Off in the Industry
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> On Dec 1, 2014:7:10 PM, at 7:10 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> 
>> the “MIB Doctor” model we are using is not going to scale out to the
>> numbers of Yang models that are in need of advice or review, nor will
>> be scale in terms of progressing models through the IETF’s RFC
>> process.  The fact is that we simply do not have enough Yang Doctors
>> to cover all of the models in question, despite our best efforts.
> 
> is this a sign that we do not have enough medical care or that we are
> unleashing an unarchitected epidemic of overly device-specific snmp with
> the syntax changed?

	Speaking from my own personal opinion, it seems that operators are finding this stuff useful and are 
demanding that people build products with it. Its a retrofit for many products, and so there is an 
avalanche of work to do here to get caught up to build non-device-specific models.  As you know,
most vendors that support Netconf have basically wrapped their CLIs with Netconf, so the models are
proprietary and do not translate across devices well. So this effort is to build standard (here
at the IETF), or at least non-device-specific (in the case of the related open source efforts). 

	--Tom