Re: Spam in the IETF's name?
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Fri, 21 October 2005 15:04 UTC
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Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:04:05 -0400
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Cc: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>, ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Spam in the IETF's name?
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--On Friday, 21 October, 2005 16:16 +0200 Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com> wrote: > As a hopefully constructive suggestion, perhaps people > can look at draft-hoffman-taobis-03.txt and see whether > it says enough in this whole area. Covering this in the > Tao seems right to me. Brian, it seems at least reasonable to me too. But there is a missing link, for which general agreement (at least within the IESG) is needed, but for which no formal action is required: The Tao is not exactly required reading. Many of our participants don't know about it. Many of those, especially from other organizations, who might be putting together IETF-related, but not IETF-associated, mailing lists and the like may be even less likely to know about it. If, when someone comes to an AD and says "please put this mailing list on your list", the AD responds with "have you read XXX and do you understand that, if we list your list, we are going to expect that you will conform to the principles of Sections A, B, and C?", it would make the connection and be really helpful. That brings us back, I think, to where we started. At present, listing of an activity or mailing list on that web page creates the expectation of conformance with our IPR policies. That expectation is reasonable and necessary but not, IMO, sufficient. We should also have the expectation of conformance with some reasonable community norms of behavior in addition to the IPR ones. To the extent to which the Tao is our best description of those norms, pointing to it is entirely appropriate. But, just as with the IPR case, we must not only have the relevant documents, but someone or something must do the pointing. john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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