Re: Spam in the IETF's name?

Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Thu, 20 October 2005 15:16 UTC

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:17:15 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com>, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Subject: Re: Spam in the IETF's name?
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--On torsdag, oktober 20, 2005 17:09:21 +0200 Brian E Carpenter 
<brc@zurich.ibm.com> wrote:

> We do, however, pay quite close attention to ensuring that meetings
> that *haven't* been sanctioned by an AD don't use the IETF's name
> inappropriately. But statements such as "we are meeting in the same
> hotel as the IETF" are factual, and we can't complain at factual
> statements.

In the case of this particular person, he was using "we" quite a lot, and 
without mentioning any organization but the IETF.
I think anyone who wasn't an "IETF insider" would assume that the writer 
spoke on behalf of the IETF - but I know enough of what the IETF is doing 
to see that this set of ideas have absolutely no IETF consensus behind it 
at the moment, so I knew this couldn't be right.

That's what got me upset over that aspect; if it had started out "I and a 
few other friends have this great idea that we're pushing in the IETF, and 
we want to meet to talk about it", I'd only have been upset about the 
method, not the content.

(I find the idea space fascinating, however. I've joined the mailing list, 
but only 2 messages on it so far, and none with any content.)

                        Harald


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