RE: Spam in the IETF's name?

--On Thursday, 20 October, 2005 07:30 -0700 "Hallam-Baker,
Phillip" <pbaker@verisign.com> wrote:

> There is a rule on Wikipedia that the IETF would do well to
> follow here:
> 
> 	Don't bite the newcommers.
>...

I'm nt sure I see that as relevant to my suggestion.   No
newcomer-biting was intended by anything I said.  If our
expectations are clarified and written down, that seems to help
the newcomers more than anyone who is deeply embedded into the
culture.  Historically, our expectations have been that one
doesn't use language which a casual reader would infer implies
IETF endorsement or an IETF work item when there has been no
IETF review or consideration, one way or the other.   "Meeting
at the IETF" seriously blurs that boundary, whether
intentionally or not.  So, depending on the circumstances, may
bulk-mailing to some lists.  If our expectations are not clear,
then it is impossible to differentiate between letting something
happen through ignorance and then complaining about it (which
might reasonably be a case of newcomer-biting) or having someone
abuse unwritten rules through hair-splitting language.  If there
are clear enough that any violations are clear abuses, then we
(and any newcomer) are in a far better position, aren't we/they?

      john

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