Re: Spam in the IETF's name?

--On Thursday, 20 October, 2005 12:07 +0200 Brian E Carpenter
<brc@zurich.ibm.com> wrote:

> You'll find the dix list at
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/nwg_list.cgi so it is
> operating under IETF IPR rules and was approved by an Apps AD.

>> 2) Even if it is, is mass-like mailing (rather than sending
>> to the IETF  list, the IETF-announce list, or one-on-one
>> personal mails) a reasonable  way to recruit people?
> 
> Well, the meeting mentioned is not an official IETF meeting to
> the best of my
> knowledge. But I think it's premature to call it off topic for
> IETF lists.

Brian,

There is another issue here and it may call for reexamination of
the criteria for listing of public IETF-related mailing lists.

We periodically have a discussion about the dangers of RFCs
being mistaken for standards.  That discussion has produced IESG
disclaimers on independent-submission RFCs strong enough as to
be read as IETF rejection of ideas presented when there is no
such IETF consensus as well as proposals for even stronger
action.  But, at least IMO, there is at least as much, and
probably more, danger in what now appears to be a trend toward
"meeting at IETF" announcements for meetings that have not gone
through the BOF or WG charter/approval process.

The criteria for such listings now include only conformance with
the IPR rules with everything else being pretty much voluntary.
Should we (or the IESG, or PESCI) be considering asking external
bodies/groups who want to be listed to agree to some minimum
[other] standards of conduct, such as not representing
themselves as IETF activities or connected with the IETF
standards process, either directly or through hair-splitting
language?

     john

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