RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria

Eric,

	In an interestingly twisted sort of way, the people who come
to listen usually cause fewer delays than many of the people who 
come to work.

	Listeners ask questions - which can be annoying - but otherwise
does not actively block progress.  Those who come to work on stuff, 
need to align their agendas in order to avoid active blocking of the
effort's progress.  Agenda alignment can be tough, given that every
single person intending to work on something believes that their's is
the correct agenda.

--
Eric Gray

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--> Eric Rosen
--> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:01 AM
--> To: Brian E Carpenter
--> Cc: dcrocker@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
--> Subject: Re: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria 
--> 
--> 
--> 
--> > There is no objective way to identify 'primary 
--> contributors' other than by
--> > assuming the regular attendees are also contributors. 
--> 
--> This is simply  silly.  It's not much of  a secret, in any 
--> WG,  who does the
--> work and who comes to listen. 
--> 
--> > We've  tried looking  at how  many local  first-time 
--> attendees  from (say)
--> > Korea later became regular attendees but the data are 
--> hard to state in any
--> > meaningful way and the time constants are long (years). 
--> 
--> This  is a  somewhat round-about  way of  saying that  you 
--> have  no  data to
--> support your position. 
--> 
--> > We certainly know that going a long way from most places,
--> > as we did in Adelaide, impacts attendance significantly -
--> > but my recollection is that Adelaide was a very successful
--> > meeting in terms of WGs making progress. 
--> 
--> Obviously recollections differ. 
--> 
--> By  scattering meetings all  over the  world, with  no 
--> consideration  of the
--> average travel time,  you encourage the creation of  a 
--> class of professional
--> standards-meeting-attenders, which is just the opposite of 
--> what is wanted.
--> 
--> > income [from local participants] that we badly need. 
--> 
--> Well, this is  the first I've heard  that we want to 
--> maximize  the number of
--> people who come  to listen rather than to work.   
--> Everything I've ever heard
--> in the past  suggested the opposite.  If we now want  to 
--> maximize the number
--> of passive attendees, I'm sure we can find a way to do it 
--> without scattering
--> the meetings all around the world. 
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