RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
"Gray, Eric" <Eric.Gray@marconi.com> Fri, 14 October 2005 18:53 UTC
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From: "Gray, Eric" <Eric.Gray@marconi.com>
To: 'Avri Doria' <avri@acm.org>, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:53:29 -0300
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Subject: RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
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Avri, Perhaps a better approach would be to have a list posted somewhere of interdicted sites - along with an explanation of the specific reasons why they've been interdicted. This would both remove all ambiguities and allow members who would like to have a site removed from that list to determine extactly what they would have to address to do so. -- Eric --> -----Original Message----- --> From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org --> [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of --> Avri Doria --> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:38 PM --> To: Jari Arkko --> Cc: ietf@ietf.org --> Subject: Re: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria --> --> --> --> On 14 okt 2005, at 13.19, Jari Arkko wrote: --> --> > Freedom of expression is another matter, and would be slippery --> > slope indeed. I think in most cases we would be better off --> > being open and constructive, and helping more people understand --> > what our views are than to refuse contact. --> > --> --> --> I agree, and that is why I tired to include specific --> issues, though --> admit that part needs greater specificity. I think the slippery --> slope can be avoided by designating specific acts that make a site --> unacceptable. --> --> One can safely argue that everywhere censures something, however, --> some well known practices are more serious then others. Blocked --> sites, redirected dns, registration and arrest of bloggers etc --> stand out as things that can be stated specifically and not --> subject --> to much interpretation (ok, as anyone who knows me knows, i --> believe --> everything is subject to some degree of interpretation). --> --> As for being open and constructive, I agree that in --> principle this is --> a good goal. however, i beleive it is a goal that exists --> on its own --> slippery slope, a slope that ends in appeasement and --> acquiescence to --> practices we would prefer not to support. I think a better --> path to --> openness is to set a good example and to invite all to participate --> and to make it easy for them to participate (ref. the visa --> rules - i --> also advocate subsidized attendance fees - but that is --> another issue). --> --> a. --> --> --> _______________________________________________ --> Ietf mailing list --> Ietf@ietf.org --> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf --> _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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