Re: Spam in the IETF's name?
Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com> Mon, 24 October 2005 07:59 UTC
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Cc: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>, ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Spam in the IETF's name?
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John C Klensin wrote: > > --On Friday, 21 October, 2005 16:16 +0200 Brian E Carpenter > <brc@zurich.ibm.com> wrote: > > >>As a hopefully constructive suggestion, perhaps people >>can look at draft-hoffman-taobis-03.txt and see whether >>it says enough in this whole area. Covering this in the >>Tao seems right to me. > > > Brian, it seems at least reasonable to me too. But there is a > missing link, for which general agreement (at least within the > IESG) is needed, but for which no formal action is required: > > The Tao is not exactly required reading. Many of our > participants don't know about it. Many of those, especially > from other organizations, who might be putting together > IETF-related, but not IETF-associated, mailing lists and the > like may be even less likely to know about it. If, when someone > comes to an AD and says "please put this mailing list on your > list", the AD responds with "have you read XXX and do you > understand that, if we list your list, we are going to expect > that you will conform to the principles of Sections A, B, and > C?", it would make the connection and be really helpful. > > That brings us back, I think, to where we started. At present, > listing of an activity or mailing list on that web page creates > the expectation of conformance with our IPR policies. That > expectation is reasonable and necessary but not, IMO, > sufficient. We should also have the expectation of conformance > with some reasonable community norms of behavior in addition to > the IPR ones. To the extent to which the Tao is our best > description of those norms, pointing to it is entirely > appropriate. But, just as with the IPR case, we must not only > have the relevant documents, but someone or something must do > the pointing. I agree. I always point newcomers to the Tao, and I believe we should all do so. The "overview" page on the web site does so too. Brian _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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