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"John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Mon, 16 June 2025 16:31 UTC

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From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com>
To: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
Subject: Re: Fully functional email address
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2025, Christian Huitema wrote:
> First, to the general topic of email: basically, email is dying. Or 
> rather, it is becoming really hard to deploy individual servers. ...

People have been saying that e-mail is dying for at least 30 years.  That 
part is constant, whatever it is that's going to replace it keeps 
changing.

You are right that it is hard to run your own mail server, but there are 
lots of places that provide excellent mail service and support if you pay 
for it.  I find the complaints about free mail services odd.  They're 
free, you're at least getting what you paid for.

Incidentally, the reason that mail will never go away is that it is fully 
federated, doesn't require people to be online at the same time, and is 
easy to archive and search.  So far none of the replacements do that.

R's,
John

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