Re: Fully functional email address

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Wed, 18 June 2025 05:07 UTC

Return-Path: <huitema@huitema.net>
X-Original-To: ietf@mail2.ietf.org
Delivered-To: ietf@mail2.ietf.org
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4BC3647A99 for <ietf@mail2.ietf.org>; Tue, 17 Jun 2025 22:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ietf.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.698
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: mail2.ietf.org (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (public key: not available)" header.d=mfg.outbound
Received: from mail2.ietf.org ([166.84.6.31]) by localhost (mail2.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GA9GS7oCGMQ3 for <ietf@mail2.ietf.org>; Tue, 17 Jun 2025 22:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from semf12.mfg.siteprotect.com (semf12.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.175]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29A2D3647A96 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 17 Jun 2025 22:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mfg.outbound; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: In-Reply-To:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID: reply-to:sender:bcc; bh=jCZ35uKb7YOEr3nyTPSxrZrenhKZTosVVy1VjCyt3rI=; b=WFRpR G19AFYJScDu2o4RdUOGQ+WeWAyfvf7+DnQbUQzbDH1kzr1NWvBxT8xF2uPi58LcMvkzK74mrA0pE8 Hd3mftOprzM/BYB5qx5qmZnNMNdjfHqgQHaSMCTIi3Ana8h+qu1qJtKZWOZxWW0L8sTFAQZcwJX7+ Qt+RAdBUvObWuZej2tElqI8UBKRVuaxzmY73yvjQht3tkm5AXk+UvyrWDXz+seb3gV3W5YqGVEcrK grOQGeA9h3BqXfU/zQILPJUnj5WhccdbTZIeB4+30W9/JvFGv2hmrXO8Xb4J5/mBeF1RahOJunAwY ++Ou9fNRIW+QARPA83ZBlBJ1SQtqw==;
Received: from smtpauth02.mfg.siteprotect.com ([64.26.60.151]) by se03.mfg.siteprotect.com with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from <huitema@huitema.net>) id 1uRl1E-004rTN-BW; Wed, 18 Jun 2025 01:07:31 -0400
Received: from [192.168.79.78] (unknown [50.239.128.225]) (Authenticated sender: huitema@huitema.net) by smtpauth02.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4bMWvK05zdzCSFwm7; Wed, 18 Jun 2025 01:07:24 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <baf426d4-7287-49f6-aaba-28464df0a873@huitema.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 22:07:22 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Subject: Re: Fully functional email address
To: "Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com>
References: <18892.1750014795@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <50FFA5F1-6895-4C6C-A4C7-1DA2226CA07B@huitema.net> <9311a7d6-e935-fe48-d897-0011599aa5b0@iecc.com> <abf7e2b2-32ee-4954-9c41-12b230f56e12@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Content-Language: en-US
From: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
In-Reply-To: <abf7e2b2-32ee-4954-9c41-12b230f56e12@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Authentication-Results: mfg.siteprotect.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=huitema@huitema.net
X-Originating-IP: 64.26.60.151
X-SpamExperts-Domain: mfg.outbound
X-SpamExperts-Username: 64.26.60.150/31
Authentication-Results: mfg.siteprotect.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=64.26.60.150/31@mfg.outbound
X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Class: ham
X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.18)
X-Recommended-Action: accept
X-Filter-ID: 9kzQTOBWQUFZTohSKvQbgI7ZDo5ubYELi59AwcWUnuXpURFa3NI8t7E8tTHjR5El24D7hiZBCBWj /4xD0mpv1iu2SmbhJN1U9FKs8X3+Nt127hcteP1p0NVNV47moiZtUnZMMMyaNBeO+OvFQHUlG4JL M0i5ZAms0EHrvcCaVINaDv37FauBeA4kM3NzIK65GnT3EFAinyrilm9zau/FuzkQt9Nb4Ml7QXdk EetczWCkiPMu7DlqTF73q9pLGZdaeB7itP8hgjDRserKv4bhb3Du2hHLbfwudMeTkB5rPevEMzer JfQa9UAYKsgEV8p+MUJTS2Jsxpkx+IHIsDarm2U3gyy0nlbakKK22WPBaizjKzb+JrnOTbl8FYp7 CIWjverajYy2yB71RZy29b9HL7yliuqXZvH3i216cQum164kKuulj9R38Knsa9jAxER10aiSF6w0 lmiVzVXR3XrYxYDtzPeEMaGa0k+sjUJTseX/eerLKIBXWdowt3Pnz2unH1JkC4g+0kcHg89rc7GO 3zxIPj1UU4msT2Odp9D6f/OS6c4Ni1u8/va8CY7KOnP1w35D5h7lHy1+uoUhSMvvWxgWfVqs1QlX N1wi3QKSJb5OB2XvjaW5uTwPc8Wgwrru53p2681lMNl+tmUH3rQTflnesjcTklCLJhgiQ7kohkjS AIttXPEgCLSmIU9J1aqq/yJ79jYxxklvhfrt8SqXfxjvg7UVTb/O8dfqV3aMX/rIGxQVuWMTP2Dq JqE7LhUkzqUqLa6c4RN3CaQKGkBju2E7RErysG79fqF4kMNEV8K4LKK2owySnr2DLPb5g08vwR2R k4mrZetichC/8X2hN6U2/5iaqel3UlOHcLqhLjsE4mVK/YyYYCK2tZM8DmeaY7CEV13U061RTDB7 H8ExcQ9GXJOrjEGCW46FDHmZKJ2ncgcA3acmr5sCiYTm0P28ctgzcDoFd+96Xw4QUNtTnWqZHG1f W6vvykF62wbG1JJ4HTvlNLDpwmANrq4YJD6zkJ2nOo9Yz9fp63maI2oeD8pQTeg1FsdCLj5jm+lJ mfSPSnixJZ2s/v8X3QUUfXRnZNh8ea17GeukGUZa3y8gfWu1/wl/f+Tjkn2bQ/A8pE7zyDpAeSJ7 eVNoxs/Ss/VLwGW5lrzMGGXQN6iDSOMnh0ZSTfwHmEIhU/ugYCTMkWs=
X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@se02.mfg.siteprotect.com
X-Complaints-To: abuse@se01.mfg.siteprotect.com
Message-ID-Hash: 2PUSCGB6J5GZ7R7GND46ZI2R7VQEZOE2
X-Message-ID-Hash: 2PUSCGB6J5GZ7R7GND46ZI2R7VQEZOE2
X-MailFrom: huitema@huitema.net
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-ietf.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
CC: IETF general list <ietf@ietf.org>
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IETF-Discussion. This is the most general IETF mailing list, intended for discussion of technical, procedural, operational, and other topics for which no dedicated mailing lists exist." <ietf.ietf.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/MbxTciAXlkM5hYAM_qXnr3eK32c>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:ietf-owner@ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:ietf-join@ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-leave@ietf.org>

On 6/17/2025 4:43 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> On 2025-06-17 01:31, John R. Levine wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, the reason that mail will never go away is that it is 
>> fully federated, doesn't require people to be online at the same 
>> time, and is easy to archive and search.  So far none of the 
>> replacements do that.
>
> Another indication of the continued importance of email: Whenever you 
> sign up for yet another service, you get asked for an email address.

.. and you give it, and you find it that the hotel cannot actually send 
mail to your address, because it is somehow blacklisted by their own 
email service. Which did happen to me, with a large hotel chain.

-- Christian Huitema