Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech industry ? The Register
Riccardo Bernardini <framefritti@gmail.com> Mon, 30 April 2012 15:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech industry ? The Register
From: Riccardo Bernardini <framefritti@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, the article is far from complete. But, your antecdote only goes to > show your own bias towards women in science and engineering in general. By > the time most females reach high school they have already been conditioned > that girls aren't as good as boys in math and science. There's a far amount > of studies showing this - at least in the US. As Monique said it is a very > complex issue. Some of it starts at home and it starts extremely early. > It's far more common for girls to be told they are pretty rather than > smart. They have found some physiologic reasons that do influence math > abilities - those with "math brains" tend to have higher levels of > testosterone. Yes, as I told (well, not actually told, but I think it was clear from the context), what I reported was just anecdotal evidence and over a very tiny sample. Should I place a bet right now, I would say that the reason is a very complex mix of external influence, cultural background and maybe the tiniest hint (q.b.) of physiology. My remark wanted to emphasize the fact that if I had asked to those girls "Did you consider graduating in engineering?" they would have not answered something like "I would like, but... it is not for girls", "...I am too pretty for that", "...my parents never would allow me;" I think they would have answered "No, it does not interest me." So it seems (by this anecdotal and very limited evidence) that at that age the choice of not becoming an engineer is not "forced" over the girl, but just she makes her choice freely. If the choice is forced by the cultural background that acts over the years and it convinces girls that engineering is not for them, I cannot say and cannot guess. > > That all said, it still doesn't explain why the percentage of women active > in the IETF is less than the percentage of women that are in the field. But > it might have something to do with IETFers sharing your perspective that > women just aren't interested. > Honestly, I do not know what the reason could be. To be double honest, I do not even know the percentage of women in the field and in the IETF. I guess "in the field" should be the field of networking. I am quite new as an IETFer, so I do not have enough experience to say if there is something in the IETF culture that scares women, but, as a first and personal impression, I did not notice anything that could make me think that women are unwelcome. I guess that any problem here is quite complex too. For example, I guess that many IETFers participate because their employer asks so. So, maybe could be the problem (in part, at least) on the employer's side? I do not know. This is very complex and sensitive an issue and it is difficult to discuss about the causes and possible solutions without enough background solution. My fear is that it would produce more energy beyond 750 nm rather than in the 390-700 nm range :-) Riccardo > Regards, > Mary. > > On Apr 30, 2012 4:04 AM, "Riccardo Bernardini" <framefritti@gmail.com> > wrote:
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Mary Barnes
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Riccardo Bernardini
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Melinda Shore
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Mary Barnes
- RE: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Janet P Gunn
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Richard L. Barnes
- RE: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… ned+ietf
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Ofer Inbar
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Fred Baker
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Glen Zorn
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Yoav Nir
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Yoav Nir
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Riccardo Bernardini
- RE: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Yaakov Stein
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Mary Barnes
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Scott Brim
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Monique Morrow
- Re: [IETF] Re: 'Geek' image scares women away fro… Warren Kumari
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Yoav Nir
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Randy Presuhn
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Melinda Shore
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… John C Klensin
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Hector
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Melinda Shore
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Hector
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Janet P Gunn
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Hector
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Thomas Narten
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Yoav Nir
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Janet P Gunn
- RE: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Richard Shockey
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Mary Barnes
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Hector Santos
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Mary Barnes
- Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Rumbidzayi Gadhula
- RE: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech indu… Worley, Dale R (Dale)