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Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech industry ? The Register

Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> Tue, 01 May 2012 13:56 UTC

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Subject: Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech industry ? The Register
To: Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com>
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On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 09:45, Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com> wrote:
> The article clearly states that women leave for the two reasons you
> mentioned, which are certainly the exact same things males deal with, but
> you missed a few others that the article notes, specifically and directly
> quoted below:
>
> "...lack of real or perceived opportunities for advancement, and uncivil
> work environments where women were treated in condescending or patronizing
> manners. Only 25 percent of the women who left engineering did so for family
> reasons."
>
> Mary

I conjecture there are few work environments where these are NOT the case.

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