Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet standards
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Fri, 27 March 2020 22:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet standards
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On 3/27/20 5:47 PM, Marcolla, Sara Veronica wrote: > The issue is, when government representative participate to IETF (or a RIR, or ICANN, or a NOG), they do so in their official capacity, thus representing to some extent their organisation. They (we) do understand the concept, however it is impossible to attend without this sort of "official" hat. So on one hand there is Joe-as-himself, and on the other hand there in Alice-as-a-whole-government-rep. How do we make this work better for everyone's benefit in IETF? In all cases the burden is on the contributor to build rough consensus for their proposal and they do so not by wielding power but by making a sound case that their proposal benefits the Internet as a whole. Perhaps some people cannot help "wearing a hat". But the hat isn't going to have much persuasive power and may be a liability. Keith
- @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet stand… Marcolla, Sara Veronica
- RE: United Nations report on Internet standards Brian E Carpenter
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Keith Moore
- Re: United Nations report on Internet standards JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… John Levine
- Re: United Nations report on Internet standards Stephane Bortzmeyer
- @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet stand… Marcolla, Sara Veronica
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Keith Moore
- @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet stand… Marcolla, Sara Veronica
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Keith Moore
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Stephen Farrell
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Michael Richardson
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… tom petch
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [EXT] Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on … Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [EXT] Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on … John C Klensin
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Fred Baker
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… S Moonesamy
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Bron Gondwana
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Keith Moore
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Bron Gondwana
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… John Levine
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Keith Moore
- Re: @EXT: RE: United Nations report on Internet s… Keith Moore