Re: [saag] PKCS#11 URI slot attributes & last call

Jan Pechanec <jan.pechanec@oracle.com> Tue, 30 December 2014 23:07 UTC

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Nico Williams wrote:

>> >> [discussion about an abstract "list PKCS#11 resource URIs"
>> >> operation elided.]
>> 
>> 	I've been thinking about this for the past days and I'm not 
>> sure if such guidelines should be provided since it very much depends 
>> on how a URI will be used and in what scenarios.
>> 
>> 	for example, if referencing a key pair, an "id" attribute is 
>> there to distinguish multiple public-key/private-key pairs held by the 
>> same subject.  However, I think that if used on a command line to 
>> provide an access to the key pair, it would be used only if there 
>> really were multiple keys of the same name.  And that information I 
>> may acquire only when I try not to use those attributes when I get an 
>> error message about multiple key pairs - which may or may not be 
>> acceptible.  On the other hand, it may be a good idea to use it always 
>> if such a URI would be provided in a long lived configuration file, 
>> for example.
>
>Which attributes to use for the listing would have to be
>context-specific.  Most apps/users would never want to match on slot
>attributes, but some might.  We can't say much about that.

	yes, and I think it will be important to state in the text 
that the choice of exact set of attributes is context specific.

>Users will mostly not be writing PKCS#11 URIs, that's for sure.  PKCS#11
>is not very user-friendly...
>
>Where a PKCS#11 URI is used, I suspect it will be produced by an
>application, and then cut-n-pasted around as necessary by the user.
>
>Do we have to say much about how the app should go about forming a URI
>for a PKCS#11 resource?  It depends.
>
>If the same app will consume the same URI, then we need not say
>anything.  If a different app will consume the same URI then we might
>have to.  This is about inter-app interoperation.

	I'd say it does not matter much whether it's the same 
application which is gonna use the generated URI or not, it's all 
about the context - if it's enough or not.

>As to how to say anything about this, here's what comes to mind:
>
>   Given a PKCS#11 URI template [RFC6570], an application MAY support
>   listing URIs of PKCS#11 resources such that the resulting URIs can
>   later be used to access the same resources if the template captured
>   the necessary context.

	I like the use of the templates.  I just quickly read through 
the RFC.  It looks that, for example, when generating a key pair, the 
application could support a default template with empty variables 
which would be used to optionally list a URI based on the 
CK_OBJECT_HANDLE of the generated key pair.  And it could accept a 
different one to override the default.  As mentioned above, I'd like 
to explicitly express that URI list is context specific.  I slightly 
modified the paragraph above:

	When listing URIs of PKCS#11 resources the exact set of 
	attributes used in a URI is inherently context specific.  A 
	PKCS#11 URI template [RFC6570] support MAY be provided by a 
	URI generating application to list URIs to access the same
	resource(s) again if the template captured the necessary
	context.

	I think we wouldn't need to say more about the matter.

	thank you, J.

>I don't think we could say much more without gaining experience with
>deployment.
>
>Caveat emptor: I'm not too conversant with URI templating, so I don't
>know how to phrase this correctly...
>
>Nico
>

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Jan Pechanec <jan.pechanec@oracle.com>