Re: multihoming, was IPv10

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 31 December 2016 00:25 UTC

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Subject: Re: multihoming, was IPv10
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On 31/12/2016 11:20, Masataka Ohta wrote:
> Michel Py wrote:
> 
>>> Brian E Carpenter wrote :
>>> Which is exactly why we have to make multi-prefix multihoming work out of the box. Which is why we
>>> have RFC 7157 and RFC 8028 and draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing, and we're not done yet.
>>
>> We have missed the delivery date by 14 years.
> 
> I wrote:
> 
> 	https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ohta-e2e-multihoming-00
> 
> in April 2000 and I know it is stupid to use source routing for
> multihoming. So, never deliver it.
> 
> All we need is transport/application layer capability to treat
> multiple source and destination addresses and implementations
> of such TCP has been available since 2003 or so, more than 14
> years ago.

I am very suspicious of any claim about "all we need" in this area, but
I have written about this in some detail elsewhere:
http://www.sigcomm.org/node/3484

   Brian