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Re: Post-Last-Call versions of documents and change logs: suggestion to the IESG

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sat, 25 June 2022 20:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: Post-Last-Call versions of documents and change logs: suggestion to the IESG
From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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> On Jun 25, 2022, at 4:14 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> 
> However, in the real world, I believe that moving in those
> directions would result in loud outcries about how things
> already take too long, that following that "clean" a process
> would make them take longer

Oh, sure.  Please consider those suggestions as an idealized (for some meaning of “ideal”) starting point, made with the realization that some tuning would be needed to address those very concerns. 

Keith

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