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Re: The CIA mentions us

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Fri, 10 March 2017 22:53 UTC

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From: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The CIA mentions us
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:53:06 -0800
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To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Ted,

> On Mar 10, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
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> The one thing I wish you'd mentioned in this blog, but did not, is a point someone made earlier on this thread: that the fact that the CIA needs to hack individual devices to bypass end-to-end encryption means that what we are doing in promoting encryption is effective and worth doing: rather than everybody's communications being vulnerable, individuals must now be targeted.

I think that’s a good point.

To expand what you said, these tools are for targeted attacks, not mass surveillance.  Encryption continues to be a strong protection against mass surveillance.

Bob

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