Re: The CIA mentions us

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Tue, 07 March 2017 16:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: The CIA mentions us
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This is all really good advice. I think it should be published as an RFC.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
wrote:

> In the Vault7 leak (malware library of the CIA
> <https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/>), there is a page giving advices to
> malware authors: how to avoid leaving traces
> <https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_14587109.html>. Among very
> good advices, it talks of the IETF:
>
> DO use ITEF [sic] RFC compliant network protocols as a blending
> layer. The actual data, which must be encrypted in transit across the
> network, should be tunneled through a well known and standardized
> protocol (e.g. HTTPS)
>
> Custom protocols can stand-out to network analysts and IDS filters.
>
>