Re: The CIA mentions us

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Thu, 09 March 2017 16:28 UTC

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On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote:

> On 03/07/2017 03:35 PM, David Morris wrote:
> >>>>
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_
> the_U.S._government
> >>
> >> Well... one would still need to assess whether such work is official or
> >> not. :-)  At times, intelligence agency's work is not official --
> >> actually, officially, such work didn't happen. :-)
> >
> > Yeah, leaked classified materials don't need a copyright for protection.
> > One can go to jail with out ever getting a chance to discuss copyright
> > status.
>
> One should consider oneself lucky in that case ;-)
>
> Cheers,


​US law is rather interesting. Unlike UK law where it is not necessary to
'sign the official secrets act' to be covered by it, US civil law is rather
less severe.​ Military law is a different matter, active duty military can
be ordered to be careful with classified materials. Civil law requires
intention to transmit to an unauthorized party or carelessness amounting to
constructive intent.

The documents do include material that purports to be classified as secret.
As a result many people are unable to read it because they have security
clearances and can't comment.

There certainly isn't a need to be concerned about copyright status as the
documents purport to be government property which would put them in the
public domain if true.