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RE: The CIA mentions us

"Tony Hain" <alh-ietf@tndh.net> Tue, 14 March 2017 18:49 UTC

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From: Tony Hain <alh-ietf@tndh.net>
To: 'Phillip Hallam-Baker' <phill@hallambaker.com>, 'Ted Lemon' <mellon@fugue.com>
Cc: 'Bob Hinden' <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, 'IETF' <ietf@ietf.org>
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Phillip Hallam-Bakerwrote:
...
> The reason I keep coming back to the data level security issue is that 
> 
> 1) It is in scope for IETF. Data level security protects data at rest and 
> in motion.
> 
> 2) There have been recent expiries and are imminent pending expiries 
> of key IPR that makes a solution much easier.
> 
Clearly that statement is self-contradictory. If the IPR has existed long enough to be at expire, the 'easier solution' has existed for a long time. The choice of not using it is simply a cost issue. If people don't believe protecting the data is worth the cost, the data will be exposed.

> 3) It is one of the things we can fix that has the greatest security payoff.
>
You can "improve" it, but you will never "fix" it. As long as humans have to interact with the data, there has to be a mechanism to expose the data, and that mechanism will always be vulnerable to compromise.

Tony

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