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RE: congestion control? - (was Re: Appointment of a Transport AreaDirector)

John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> Wed, 06 March 2013 16:36 UTC

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From: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
To: Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: congestion control? - (was Re: Appointment of a Transport AreaDirector)
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See also:  http://www.akamai.com/html/about/press/releases/2012/press_091312.html

Irrespectively Yours,

John

From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:12 AM
To: Brian E Carpenter
Cc: braden@isi.edu; IETF-Discussion
Subject: Re: congestion control? - (was Re: Appointment of a Transport AreaDirector)


On Mar 6, 2013 1:03 AM, "Brian E Carpenter" <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com<mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On 06/03/2013 08:36, t.p. wrote:
> ...
> > Interesting, there is more life in Congestion Control than I might have
> > thought.  But it begs the question, is this something that the IETF
> > should be involved with or is it better handled by those who are
> > developping LTE etc?
>
> From the little I know about TCP proxies, they are horrible beasts
> that can impact application layer semantics. Figuring out how to deal
> with mixed e2e paths (partly lossy, partly congested) seems to me
> very much an IRTF/IETF topic, even if we don't have an AD who is
> a subject matter expert.
>
>    Brian

There is a huge cross layer optimization issue between 3gpp and the ietf. It is worse than you can imagine, highly akin to how the industry moved passed the ietf with Nat. The same thing is happening with tcp.  Tcp is simply not fit for these high latency high jitter low loss networks.

Google is a player in the e2e space for various business reasons and it appears they are now in an arms race with these horrible mobile carrier proxies (which in many cases do on the fly transcoding of video).

There are 2 fronts. 1 is quic as linked above. Another is their own transcoding https proxy https://developers.google.com/chrome/mobile/docs/data-compression

This is not novel. Opera mini has been doing this for years, otherwise know as opera turbo. Oh, and Nokia has been doing it too.  They even help by bypassing pki and any sense of internet security.

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/nokia-decrypting-traffic-man-in-the-middle-attacks-103799

Hold on to your hats.

CB

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