Re: DMARC and ietf.org

"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 12 August 2016 23:15 UTC

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From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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>The W3C mailing list manager (MLM) is apparently configured to do 
>rfc5322.from field re-writing which seems to ameliorate the DMARC-MLM 
>issues (in my experience, at least), and it would be helpful if the IETF 
>would take similar measures.

Due to the volume of mail from IETF lists, I have a bunch of procmail
rules to sort them that would break if the lists put the list address
on the From: line.  And, of course, then you can't reply to the author.

I doubt that I'm the only one in this situation.

There are DMARC workarounds that are more work but suck less.

See http://wiki.asrg.sp.am/wiki/Mitigating_DMARC_damage_to_third_party_mail

R's,
John