Re: DMARC and ietf.org
Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> Mon, 15 August 2016 11:44 UTC
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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 07:44:08 -0400
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org>
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Subject: Re: DMARC and ietf.org
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On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 11:10:59AM -0400, John R Levine wrote: > DMARC was fine when it was used to protect high value company domains like > paypal.com. It became much less fine when AOL and Yahoo started using it to > force the costs of their own security failures on third parties. Worth noting is that their deployment of DMARC has done *nothing* to address those security failures and thus *nothing* to stop the forgeries that were the alleged impetus for the deployment. In fact, it's arguably made the impact of those worse because they now arrive with whatever degree of endorsement DMARC validation provides. ---rsk
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org =JeffH
- Re: Do we actually want to do anything about DMAR… John Levine
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org John Levine
- Re: Do we actually want to do anything about DMAR… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org S Moonesamy
- Re: Do we actually want to do anything about DMAR… ned+ietf
- Re: Do we actually want to do anything about DMAR… John R Levine
- Re: Do we actually want to do anything about DMAR… Michael Richardson
- Re: Do we actually want to do anything about DMAR… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org Rich Kulawiec
- Re: Do we actually want to do anything about DMAR… Alessandro Vesely
- Do we actually want to do anything about DMARC? John Levine
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org Michael Richardson
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org S Moonesamy
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: list managers, was DMARC and ietf.org John R Levine
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org Theodore Ts'o
- ARC (was - Re: DMARC and ietf.org) Dave Crocker
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org Theodore Ts'o
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org John R Levine
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org Ted Lemon
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org Brian E Carpenter
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org John Levine
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org John Levine
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org Andrew G. Malis
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org =JeffH
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org John Payne
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org John Levine
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org John Payne
- Re: DMARC and ietf.org Miles Fidelman